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The new SSR 23 shop is build in the infield of the track. Rumor is that it will just be used as a test track. 

My hope is that if everything on here is true the All Star officials make a deal to keep the name at least. There has to be a regional series for the weekend warrior racers to compete in. If they want to take on the Woo great good luck with that but don't eliminate a name that's been around a long time for the guys who can't afford to travel all over the country.

That last paragraph I think has A LOT to do with why we even had a High Limit series in the first place. 

Agreed on all accounts. The money people who just can't leave well enough alone are ruining great tradtions in many sports. HL was good thing this year but buying the all-stars makes no sense. Is every all-star race gonna pay 23G or better now? I don't see that happening.

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Based upon what SPCjay has said in the past I would trust his posts and sources. Over the years on here you learn who has reliable info and who doesn't, who belittles people, and who provides useful content to the forum. 

Keep It Real

from the turnout at Lernerville at the HL race i think they can be succesful. WG dumped Lernerville because of the Late Model 100 race. The turn out for the HL race was far better than the last 5 yrs of outlaw races there...i was there for all of them.

The talent that was at that race was a good as any outlaw race.

The preverbeal damn is about to bust . Brad Sweet , FLO and good ol fashion greed. are about to singlehandedly nuke sprint car racing east of the mississippi . Who would have thought a few years ago that FLO would do this ? So many staple races of the sprint car calender could be in jeporady of not even existing / getting neutured if these boundaries are drawn between WRG and HL. Brad Doty Classic , Attica Spring Nationals , Lou Blaney Memorial , Dean Knittle Memorial , Jim Ford Classic , Tuscarora 50 , Rick Ferkle Classic , Bob Wiekert Memorial , Jason Johnson Classic etc . Makes my heart hurt knowing whats about to go down. This will turn ugly. People will want the "good ol days" back. 

The best racetracks are in the middle of nowhere

Pa. Speedweek is unsanctioned and won't be affected. Most Pa. tracks are quite capable of running a big show without offials from any sanctioning body screwing it up. The Grove will choose WOO. Port will have leverage to get better dates if the Outlaws want to stay there. I am pretty sure Port's shows are among the most veiwed on Flo giving them leverage there also. The All Stars ran fewer Pa. shows this past season. And don't we hear about half the the teams leaving the WOO every year. There may be some disruptions in areas that don't have many 410's. 

Seems to me there is a way of doing this

When HL/All-Stars are running in the East, WoO could be in Midwest - vice versa

When HL/All-Stars are running in the Midwest, WoO is out East

And then just make the top 10+ major of the events open shows

                 First you would have to convince Woo that they should share their toys. That has never happened before and would not fit fit their business model nor would it for any other business.

I think the reason for this is pretty simple:  There is not enough money and well-funded teams to spread 2 national touring series across the US, especially if they decide to share venues for "national" events.  Won't work.  And everyone that is smiling ear to ear right now about this needs their heads examined.  This will not be good for our sport if national exposure and further growth outside of our grassroots fans is what is desired. 

If we want to keep sprint car racing to ourselves, have regional battles year in and year out, no national travelling series, and end streaming, this formula should work perfect.............

The WoO have survived feast, famine, the late disco era, no wings/ wings, Sammy wearing a cowboy hat, Steve Kinser domination, Steve Kinser with a perm,  The United Sprint association, the 80's hair band era, Steve Kinser leaving for Nascar, Steve Kinser returning from Nascar, the grunge era, Ted Johnson with 1 lung, TNN trying to turn it into WWF, tragedy, triumph, Sid Blanford, repossession of assets, The National Sprint Tour, poor economies, poor track conditions, power outages, power trips, bad formats, bad rules, bad officials, bad blood, bad behavior, unruly fans, upheavals & unrest.

 This will be just another bump in the road. (probably)

Are tracks unable to schedule both now? 

If I'm a promotor / track owner, I don't want any sanctioning body telling what other races I can and can't have at my track.

Keep It Real

If you compare September shows maybe, but the Don Martin race sanctioned by the WoO was almost a sell out year after year. 

Few tracks have that leverage. The WoO pays a lot of promoter bills throughout the year with their races. 

If SLS stays loyal, and Eldora, Knoxville, Husets and the Grove stay loyal, the WoO has a big advantag, but we'll see. 

I believe Knoxville has traditionally did what they thought was best for them and racing in general.  Off the top of my head they've had at least (3) separate sanctioning bodies run through the track this past year, WOO, USAC, and ASCOC excluding the flat trackers. 

Keep It Real

This might be my favorite post of all time here.  Especially the Sid Blanford inclusion lol.  I would suggest adding the Gumout series as well.

As far as the "there aren't enough well funded teams for two series" that's just comical.  For years the WoO survived and thrived on 4-5 quality full time teams and the All Stars did the same.  I think the overall theme is people have short memories.  Things are never as bad as they can be, or as good as they can be.  This is the closest thing to a golden age of dirt track racing I've ever seen in my 50+ years as far as ability for fans to access the product with streaming and "big show" opportunities for teams to make some money.  God bless capitalism.  

the repossession was at charlotte  right 

Correct, May of 2003. 

WG would certainly choose the outlaws because that's about the only time they draw a crowd anymore. I would think Port would choose HL since all-star shows do really well there. Lincoln would be wise to choose HL also but since they didn't have any all-star shows this year I don't know. PA speedweek wouldn't be affected since it is unsanctioned. Honestly I don't know why HL can't just stay the way it is (big paying mid-week shows for Larson) and leave the allstars alone.

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