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Why doesnt Selinsgrove try to work something out with Lincoln for the big races coming up if they run the No

Sorry I had brain freeze they should at least switch the two nights of the Nace race i cant see them getting 15 cars if they run against Lincoln .And another 15 360s on Sunday (no good for the fans or the promoters).r

Selinsgrove will be the definate looser.  A lot of teams just don't like the speed they carry there at the true Speed Palace.  

Did not see advertised purses, if purse are fairly equal, selinsgrove may surprise you, just seems new management group is more in tune with the teams.

Lincoln is the track that scheduled against Selinsgrove. 

Forever it was always The Tuscarora 50 and then the next week it was the Jim Nace National Open at Selinsgrove.   The big races were always in September ending with the Williams Grove National Open.  This was when the season ended in October in Central Pa.  The tracks all worked with each other for the big end of year races. 

Actually Selinsgrove Speedway was very accommodating to Lincoln the past few years.   As I  said the Jim Nace National Open was always the week after the Tuscarora 50, but Lincoln scheduled the dirt classic in Selinsgroves regular date so Selinsgrove moved their Open.    Now Lincoln moved the Dirt Classic and Selinsgrove moved back to their original date and Lincoln schedules against them.  I would call.that a dirty move. 

It seems since a certain group of people got out of Selinsgrove; and a part of Lincoln now,  it has been an attack against  Selinsgrove Speedway. 

Nobody wins either way...

Exactly! It seems the old Selinsgrove management is bitter that someone else took over the lease to keep the track open. Pathetic! You would think they would be happy a historic track remains open if they were fans and not just businessmen. As you said, last year Selinsgrove moved the Nace Memorial back a week to accomadate the Dirt Cup. Now Lincoln moves the Dirt Cup to Labor Day weekend scheduling against Selinsgrove's Sunday 410 race that they've had for years. When is Selinsgrove supposed to have the Nace Memorial? This is a race that pays 26G to win and it will probably be done after this year if the other tracks want to screw them. Baps scheduled a 410 Race the following Saturday - sponsored by Selinsgrove Ford nonetheless, a dealership that's supported Selinsgove Speedway forever. I'm wondering how many vehicles they sell in York Couny? Wake me up if Lincoln or Baps ever pays 26G to win a sprint race. They don't want to pay anything unless some other sponsor foots the purse increase. They are also too cheap to even pay an all-star sanction anymore.  I used to love Lincoln Speedway but I can't support them anymore.  

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All this above is true. I go to Selinsgrove and Port Royal all Saturdays anyway but I will never go to Lincoln and support anything they run. Their business appears to be going nowhere but down and dirty. I really wish Port and Selinsgrove would combine and do something in September. The Selinsgrove Ford thing is just as bizarre. Previous Selinsgrove management is trying all they can to sabotage the place, which, again, is just bizarre. 

There's 2 sides to every story. It'll all shake out in the end and everyone will be fine. Sometimes it takes a struggle between 2 sides to find common ground. Don't read too much into it. Port has done their share of shady things too. It's just not out in the open. None of them are innocent. At the end of the day, they all gotta do what they gotta do. That's how the business goes sometimes.

"Actually Selinsgrove Speedway was very accommodating to Lincoln the past few years.   As I  said the Jim Nace National Open was always the week after the Tuscarora 50, but Lincoln scheduled the dirt classic in Selinsgroves regular date so Selinsgrove moved their Open.    Now Lincoln moved the Dirt Classic and Selinsgrove moved back to their original date and Lincoln schedules against them.  I would call.that a dirty move." 

i don't know if it is a dirty move - but as far as the moving of dates that is the only side of the story as it is the only facts about the previous schedule change. 

the current promoter of Selinsgrove had nothing to do with the previous moves - she also tried to maintain the previous years 410 schedule with high paying races - and from all accounts truly tried to respect other track schedules.

to not have even the slightest of inklings that Lincoln's move was done for a reason is IMHO biased/shortsighted.  But more importantly IMHO in a day and age where everyone is clamoring for the higher paying shows....the fact of the matter is the drivers and fans can't be at both places for two great events.......

Just my opinion but as one of the former promoters of Selinsgrove if a true fan of racing he had to understand the importance of the memory and honoring Jim Nace; therefore, to mess with this date reveals a potential a character flaw.

Lord I wish Texas had the problems Pennsylvania sprint car fans have, yall are sorta spoiled LOL

Pretty much how I feel about the situation. I understand with the uncertainty at the time on who would run Selinsgrove this year, and Lincoln wanting to make The Dirt Classic a two day premier event the move to Labor Day weekend (Selinsgrove had run the 410's and DLM's for years on Labor Day Sunday)....but to schedule a race on the same Saturday at The Jim Nace Memorial was a bush move by the Lincoln Management team....

Fill in some blanks for those of us not in PA Posse land please.

As I see it, you have two tracks, more than an hour and a half away from each other. One is a long 1/2 mile paperclip that looks like it would produce high speed parades. The other is a short 3/8 mile paperclip that looks like it would produce bullring type racing.

-How much driver overlap do they usually get between the tracks?
-How much fan overlap?
-Do they both race 410's weekly?
-Does the big paperclip have problems attracting enough cars with big motor budgets?
-Why does PA have so many paperclip tracks? Were these tracks originally laid out for horse racing and the guy who brought the biggest horse usually won? (Sorry man. The devil made me do it. )

in other words mike heffner...who can do no wrong to a lot of people on these message boards...was yet again the bad guy.  i'm not sure what he's done to earn the reputation he has.  he's essentially run the 27 winged and non-wing programs into the ground after he booted briggs danner earlier this year.  he failed at selinsgrove so i'm sure he would hate to see somebody with some business sense make it successful. 

lincoln has an established fan base which will keep it going...but port royal is clearly the premier saturday night facility.  the top guys still prefer going up there.  honestly i don't miss the lincoln races on flo this year.  it just would have made it even more obvious how lacking the competition has become down there.

Although diverging off topic i will share some opinions as I enjoy the differences at all the tracks and hope none ever close in my lifetime.....

first, I saw two pretty good races Saturday and sunday night at the big half miles....

Port royal the first feature was a classic and the second feature although no last corner pass for the lead had outstanding racing all the way through the field.

Selinsgrove p2 and p3 Sunday night both started outside the top 6 and passed very good cars to get to P2 & P3 in a caution free race......If the 26 would have started 2nd row or 3rd row he was most likely going to win he was bad fast.....I enjoyed watching the 19m and the 48 work lines to not only make up ground - but actually pass on a wicked fast track.  

now my opinion directly as it relates to your  opinion/view and than a response to your questions.

1. Selinsgrove designed by the late Joie Chitwood and described by the late great Bob Weikert as the Knoxville of the East is not a paperclip...quite the contrary as it has long sweeping turns and as winged speed alluded to above carries A LOT of speed through the turns that some race teams dont particularly care for.

2. Selinsgrove does not run 410's everey weekend the Jim Nace memorial will be the 7th scheduled 410 race.

as I believe the poster from Texas said we are spoiled in PA some bullrings and 3 halfmiles laid out very differently.....Williamsgrove IMHO is the Martinsville of Dirt Tracks a true paper clip.....Port Royal somewhat of a paperclip but good banking I would encourage anyone who gets the oppotunity to watch from the backstretch as car enter turn 3 have no idea why that extreme speed (wow are they flying entering 3) would be any less a deterent for drivers than the speed carried all the way through the turns at selinsgrove.

Motors are an issue as most regular Friday 410 shows at Williamsgrove rarely produce a full field...Lincoln and Port as regular saturday tracks have their "local" teams or teams that only run there....IMHO makes sense for those teams as the top teams get divided and gives some better odds for the smaller teams.........

As witnessed by PA speedweeks when weather cooperates Rabid and Avid sprint car fans carryover to these big special events.....That is the issue at hand here.....non debatable is the fact that the schedule changed and Lincoln Speedway has done the changing both times....although i have no desire to debate what is the real why the schedule had to change. 

Can't understand why the promoters can't market say the Real :-) month of Money in a 100 mile radius in PA  - much like they do for the benefit of all teams, promoters, and fans during the highly successful PA speedweeks?