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Maybe because teams wanted to go home.  Banquets used to be a big deal, there not anymore. Give me my check, I'm heading home. 

So the WoO tour has what, 12 to 15 regulars that run the series all across the country taking on local teams at their tracks and basically taking most of the purse with them at each stop, so just maybe the HL isn't for those 12 to 15 teams, seems like a great deal for smaller teams getting to race fore some big $$$ and actually having chance of cashing in on some of it. There is still going to be plenty of big name guys out there that can make a midweek race that are not on the WoO tour. 

Since the HL is scheduling those races at times and places between WoO races, you better believe that's the drivers they're trying to attract.

I dont have a dog in the fight or have a side (yet), but for discussion purposes, what's the difference between the HL and the Cappy or tmac race or the AllStars in Fl?   Side note- I would like to hear more about that ppp loan.  

Or.... look at it this way. When the outlaws come into town a lot of teams stay home because of the competition level. Now if High Limit comes to town WITHOUT the outlaws, the locals have a chance at making some good money at the local track they may have an advantage at. 

But is that enough to to get the fans into the seats at a High Limit race and pay a higher price for a ticket? I would do it, but maybe there are alot more fans who think if Schatz, Gravel, Schuchart or Macedo, etc. are not there, they ain't going!!!! Something to think about.

That might work, but that's not the HL business model. The timing, race locations, and purse structure show that they are trying to lure WoO drivers without paying for WoO sanction fees.

https://racingnews.co/2020/12/05/nascar-dirt-racing-indycar-teams-take-large-ppp-loans-to-stay-afloat-during-pandemic-amount-list/
 

27,500 + 43,443.  Interesting.  

I don't know. My guess is yes, because many fans avoid outlaw races too. Plus how many fans do they need if it is backed by Flo? Hard to say?

Why? They are small businesses too. The company I work for got a loan too.That's why it was set up . Too keep everyone working

IMO, HL series can be successful even if the stands are packed and they don't get "all" the outlaw teams to show

HL will work because the payout is good enough to attract a strong regional contingent of teams/drivers along with what FLO will attract via streaming revenue.

Debt to GDP is astronomical and unprecedented. High interest rates brings the nation to its knees. Blame it on Biden, if you don't want an 80 year old pilot or surgeon, why would you accept an 80 year old keeper of the nuclear war codes. 

Within hearing distance of Tri City Speedway

Almost all of the HL shows will have to be midweek shows. 

1. Per Brad Sweet, these races will be on the way to the next WOO show

2. Because of the midweek shows, they know attendance would be down, compared to a weekend race. 

3. NOT all of the WOO drivers will race, even if they're "allowed" to, so some choose to and some choose NOT to. 

This series accomplishes multiple things, but also gives Larson and Sweet, the chance to see what revenue comes in from streaming. 

Can the two co exist? I think so, b/c not all of the WOO drivers want to race midweek, and some of the weekend racers, can't. 

Keep It Real

LMs routinely race for huge money in front of small crowds. They say it's because they make money on streaming, or maybe it's rich guys subsidizing it for whatever reason. 

Sprint cars (especially the WoO) routinely race for standard $10k to win in front of very large crowds because they are following a model that Ted Johnson started 44 years ago. The Bridgeport promoter this past year was joking he'd need a forklift to take all the money he was making that night during the WoO event. While streaming is helping raise the purses, it hasn't stayed up with the LM purses.

If HL runs in front of medicore crowds and is subsidized by Flo (I've heard $30k per race) then so be it.  This seems to a sustainable model for the time being, and it should benefit sprint car drivers just like it's benefitted LM drivers. 

1. I believe i had heard it has to be a track that has an outlaw date that year along with getting permission

I should have added that ANY WOO platinum driver can race at any race, however I think they lose their platinum status. Justin Fiedler has a good podcast, "DirtrackR" and covers this specific topic. It's a short daily podcast and worth the follow. 

Keep It Real

Where are you getting the $30,000 figure and why is anyone at Flo sharing that info?

The teams that got the PPP money are most certainly businesses. They deserve it as much as any other business.

You're a stupid ass.

Sweet is only one I can see it being worth while if Outlaws hold fast. If he hits a couple home runs might make $500k promoting the races.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

One thing you'll see one the new Outlaws schedule is released is that the teams will likely be forgoing the traditional California swing and instead heading to Pennsylvania for an early season swing in it's place. This will help many of the teams with cutting costs and will go a long way in smoothing some of the teams concersn in regards to the start of the season. I also believe there will be at least a small bend in regard to High Limit where you'll see them at least able to attend a handful of the events. There are steps being taken to build a better relationship between the carowners/teams and the series.

Now......this will also create a big ripple affect within the All Stars. Because depending what happens up above, they could potentially be a place for the Outlaws to pick drivers from to fill out spots if drivers decided to go on a full Outlaw schedule. In those regards, you'll see the All Stars shortening their schedule by likely a quarter and raising purses to not only cut down on travel and costs, but allow their guys more freedom to persuade them to stay on should the offer to jump to the WoO come about.