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Posted By: PMSRacing on July 04 2017 at 10:15:11 AM
One of the biggest crowds I ever saw last nite at lincoln. What impressed me the most was the AK87 catching him on the bottom and Larson having the sense to move to the bottom and drive away the last 6 laps. Smart kid!
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Exactly! Good strategy, may well have saved the race for Kyle.... Krimes made it interesting (not that Kyle's charge to the front wasn't!) 
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Posted By: alum.427 on July 04 2017 at 11:02:39 AM
Correct me. Isn't Lee Staffer crewing the 57 in central pa. I was under the assumption for speed week they hired Lee. ???
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Stauffer is crewing for the Shane Stewart 2 team.
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Posted By: blazer00 on July 04 2017 at 10:15:41 AM
The excitement and passion that Larson shows for sprint car racing is very refreshing and really exciting for the fans. His mention that he looks forward to going up and down the road some day is I'm sure a very sincere statement. The only thing in his way of course is his day job. That day job can become a trap because there are so many millions of dollars for him to earn over a career. No one can fault him for looking out for his familie's future security. And that's NASCAR.
He is a racing talent to be sure. Is he a Foyt or Andretti as far as an all around driver? Maybe so. For sure they had an advantage to showcase their total all around driving skills that aren't available today for a driver like Kyle. Is he a Kinser, Swindell, Wolfgang or Schatz? Agian, maybe so. Still, he'll have to earn each and every win. Some of those wins are going to come real hard. So far the PA wins look to be pretty easy, becuase he's had a relatively open path, especially last night. The second the A Main strung out at all, Larson went to the cushion and proceeded to drive by every driver in front of him for the lead. Bottom feeders every one of them. Only towards the end when the track rubbered down did he go to the bottom. During the Feature there were other drivers that ventured out to the cushion, but I couldn't tell by the PPV if any were really going forward or not. There were areas where that cushion was as close to the wall as one will find it......scary close to the wall. That's where the best drivers will go to win when they have to, and that is where Larson went. Much like the other night when he went through every rut and hole there was to get the win without appearing to back off. He will most likely never compile the number of wins that a lot of drivers have, but the manner in which he gets his wins will define his true talent. And what a talent it is!
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It wasn't "pretty easy"... if it was, everyboy would do it
As for comparisons with the legends, he's only 23. When he's 50, we'll see....
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Posted By: revjimk on July 04 2017 at 11:37:10 AM
It wasn't "pretty easy"... if it was, everyboy would do it
As for comparisons with the legends, he's only 23. When he's 50, we'll see....
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By being the only one running the cushion early on, he did make it look pretty easy.....the cushion was the fast way around.....doesn't have a damn thing to do with "everybody would do it". Has more to do with nobody in front of him last night evidently knowing how to run a cushion. My statements regarding the legends I mentioned was addressing those who already have him in that league. I'm not one of those. There is a lot that remains to be seen. It's doubtful he will ever have enough races to compare with the greatest. Some have him dominating the WoO circuit, and many have him winning the biggest races coming up as though they were no more than the same as what he has won the past week. Others tout his 21st to fifth at the Nationals......50 laps is a lot different than 30 laps, and it was done several times when it was thirty laps. I recognize he has a great talent, but it does need to be kept in perspective, at least for now. So I think we do agree on that.
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Larsen could neat the 1985 Bears
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Posted By: blazer00 on July 04 2017 at 12:25:59 PM
By being the only one running the cushion early on, he did make it look pretty easy.....the cushion was the fast way around.....doesn't have a damn thing to do with "everybody would do it". Has more to do with nobody in front of him last night evidently knowing how to run a cushion. My statements regarding the legends I mentioned was addressing those who already have him in that league. I'm not one of those. There is a lot that remains to be seen. It's doubtful he will ever have enough races to compare with the greatest. Some have him dominating the WoO circuit, and many have him winning the biggest races coming up as though they were no more than the same as what he has won the past week. Others tout his 21st to fifth at the Nationals......50 laps is a lot different than 30 laps, and it was done several times when it was thirty laps. I recognize he has a great talent, but it does need to be kept in perspective, at least for now. So I think we do agree on that.
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So you don't think ANY of the 40+ drivers there knew how to run the cushion, except Kyle? Come on....
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The Bears Defense was too good in '85. Two Shut-outs to start the play-offs and then NE only scored 10, a FG to start the game and a gimme when the Bears put the Cheerleaders in with a 46 - 3 lead to end it.
Blazer, where did you watch the PPV I couldn't find one. Tonite is the same story I think but I hope I am wrong, I like Grandview...
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Posted By: dsc1600 on July 04 2017 at 11:35:07 AM
Stauffer is crewing for the Shane Stewart 2 team.
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I thought I read somewhere a couple weeks back that they had hired lee for pa speedweek. Since the WoO was off till later this week it is possible.
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Posted By: revjimk on July 04 2017 at 01:00:20 PM
So you don't think ANY of the 40+ drivers there knew how to run the cushion, except Kyle? Come on....
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I missed something......there were 40 cars in the Feature? There were 40 cars starting in front of him? (sarcasm) He started 9th.....when things strung out a bit, he went to the top.....and each time he went around a driver that started in front of him, and all were running the bottom, he showed them the fast way......how many of them went upstairs and tried to pass him back? None. Show most drivers a faster way around the track by passing them, and most will at least take a look at or try another line. That's what I was questioning in the other drivers.
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Posted By: MSPN on July 04 2017 at 01:59:56 PM
The Bears Defense was too good in '85. Two Shut-outs to start the play-offs and then NE only scored 10, a FG to start the game and a gimme when the Bears put the Cheerleaders in with a 46 - 3 lead to end it.
Blazer, where did you watch the PPV I couldn't find one. Tonite is the same story I think but I hope I am wrong, I like Grandview...
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Last night's PPV was on Dirt Station.....can't find one for tonight.
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Posted By: blazer00 on July 04 2017 at 12:25:59 PM
By being the only one running the cushion early on, he did make it look pretty easy.....the cushion was the fast way around.....doesn't have a damn thing to do with "everybody would do it". Has more to do with nobody in front of him last night evidently knowing how to run a cushion. My statements regarding the legends I mentioned was addressing those who already have him in that league. I'm not one of those. There is a lot that remains to be seen. It's doubtful he will ever have enough races to compare with the greatest. Some have him dominating the WoO circuit, and many have him winning the biggest races coming up as though they were no more than the same as what he has won the past week. Others tout his 21st to fifth at the Nationals......50 laps is a lot different than 30 laps, and it was done several times when it was thirty laps. I recognize he has a great talent, but it does need to be kept in perspective, at least for now. So I think we do agree on that.
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Lincoln is the only track I go to on a regular basis. Seeing as how Monteith was starting in front of Kyle, I thought Kyle was going to have little chance of getting around him as Lincoln is by far Brian's best track. I'm not taking anything away from Kyle, he had a great run at Lincoln last night. Brian ended up wrecking on the top after Kyle went by him. He was the only one who even attempted tryng chasing him down up top. You're absolutely right that everyone else stuck to the bottom. Someone said it either earlier in this thread or in another one, but I agree that the Posse is having a down year overall. Some of the top drivers just aren't getting the results. What's going on with Hodnett? DeWease wasn't even there and I sure do miss Stevie Smith. Again, Kyle ran a great race, but it should never be that easy to go from 9th to 1st at Lincoln. Just a thought after hearing Kyle's post race interview. It confirms to me that 410 WInged Sprint car racing is the best of the best. He's not the first Nascar driver I've heard say that he'd rather race 410's full time. Imagine all 410 teams running with Nascar type money. ( I"m noy saying that's why Kyle won, but deep pockets defintiely help) Outlaws obviously have more funs at their disposal, but I'm talking real Nascar money. At a minimum I really appreciate Kyle exposing Nascar fans to Sprint car racing. I know the first time I took a co-worker who is a diehard Nascar (Earnhardt Jr) fan to Lincoln, he was blown away.
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Ryan Smith was the only car to pass Larson all speedweek so far, but it only lasted for one straightaway. Larson won with a second place car. Would have been a hell of a race if Stutts didn't wreck. Either way, a win is a win. People can say that Grandview is a shithole, which is true, but the 410s put on a hell of a show every time they run there.
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Posted By: egras on July 04 2017 at 10:59:24 AM
All good points above. To expand upon:
1. If Kyle Larson's accountant told him "you're all set, you can retire and do what you want" and he jumped in the 57 next year full time for the WOO, he would clean up on everyone---even the "unstoppable" Don. He has made short work of the 15 this year when they meet on the track.
2. Larson would be a favorite for the Nationals if he decided (and contractual obligations will allow him to) run Saturday night. (Not THE favorite--don't get me wrogn) With the fierce battle for 1st, many missed the fact that he had come from about 10th after the break, moved up to a battle for 4th and was only a straightaway from the leaders taking the white flag after passing 5 or more cars. He was the fastest car on the track last year on Saturday night.
3. He does take angles and lines no one else does. All sprint car drivers have the amazing ability to gather up a car when it looks out of control. He has the ability to gather up a sprint car thats out of control, not lose any speed, and pass two cars in the next corner---all while once again looking out of control.
4. I agree with someone who stated Kyle could win in about 1/2 the cars in the field. Give almost any random driver the "keys" to the 57 and Kyle the "keys" to about any other car in the field. I would put money down on Kyle winning before the other driver---or at least coming out ahead of the 57! Not to take anything away from Silva--as it is obviously an awesome piece being rolled off the trailer each night. I think it would be fun to see Kyle jump in one of the cars that has not won on the WOO tour yet this year. I would put money down on a podium finish.
5. No matter what side you're on, this is great for all forms of racing he is involved in. He is doing something that has not happened a whole lot in the racing world over the last decade----generating a buzz! If he is going to show up at a track, it will be full. Nascar on the other hand? I know a lot of (past and present) diehard Nascar fans that have a new found interest in watching the races because they find him exciting.
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I had the pleasure of attending the race at Eagle, which I believe is the only time that Larson and Schatz have met head to head this year and while I absolutely respect Kyle's driving ability, that isn't a very good comparison. Tacky bullrings aren't Schatz's forte at all - I'd love to see the guys battle it out on a skating rink with a top and bottom (or in Donny's case - the middle).
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Posted By: blazer00 on July 04 2017 at 05:01:50 PM
I missed something......there were 40 cars in the Feature? There were 40 cars starting in front of him? (sarcasm) He started 9th.....when things strung out a bit, he went to the top.....and each time he went around a driver that started in front of him, and all were running the bottom, he showed them the fast way......how many of them went upstairs and tried to pass him back? None. Show most drivers a faster way around the track by passing them, and most will at least take a look at or try another line. That's what I was questioning in the other drivers.
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Duh, of course there weren't 40 cars in the feature...
I don't know why the other guys didn't run the cushion, but I'm sure they know how....
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Posted By: BeerFriends410s on July 04 2017 at 11:44:17 PM
Ryan Smith was the only car to pass Larson all speedweek so far, but it only lasted for one straightaway. Larson won with a second place car. Would have been a hell of a race if Stutts didn't wreck. Either way, a win is a win. People can say that Grandview is a shithole, which is true, but the 410s put on a hell of a show every time they run there.
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What was with only 25 cars at Grandview?
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on July 05 2017 at 01:11:31 AM
I had the pleasure of attending the race at Eagle, which I believe is the only time that Larson and Schatz have met head to head this year and while I absolutely respect Kyle's driving ability, that isn't a very good comparison. Tacky bullrings aren't Schatz's forte at all - I'd love to see the guys battle it out on a skating rink with a top and bottom (or in Donny's case - the middle).
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Larson raced at Lawrenceburg where him and Shane Stewart battled for the win all night. Shane stewart won, Larson 2nd, and Schatz 3rd. If you haven't watched the full race on Dirtvision in the on-demand section I highly recommend it. It's free. One of the best races this year by far.
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Posted By: motorhead748 on July 04 2017 at 03:06:51 PM
I thought I read somewhere a couple weeks back that they had hired lee for pa speedweek. Since the WoO was off till later this week it is possible.
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Lee isn't wrenching Kyle's car, Paul Silva owns and wrenches the car.
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Posted By: Brick461 on July 03 2017 at 09:37:11 PM
a 4th of July firecracker!!
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Posted By: Brick461 on July 03 2017 at 09:37:11 PM
Topic Name: Larson hotter than.....
a 4th of July firecracker!!
Posted By: Brick461 on July 03 2017 at 09:37:11 PM
Topic Name: Larson hotter than.....
a 4th of July firecracker!!
Posted By: Brick461 on July 03 2017 at 09:37:11 PM
Topic Name: Larson hotter than.....
a 4th of July firecracker!!
Posted By: Brick461 on July 03 2017 at 09:37:11 PM
Topic Name: Larson hotter than.....
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Posted By: Brick461 on July 03 2017 at 09:37:11 PM
Topic Name: Larson hotter than.....
a 4th of July firecracker!!
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Ascot was the greatest of all time..
West Capital wasn't half bad either..
Life is good...
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Posted By: blazer00 on July 04 2017 at 12:25:59 PM
By being the only one running the cushion early on, he did make it look pretty easy.....the cushion was the fast way around.....doesn't have a damn thing to do with "everybody would do it". Has more to do with nobody in front of him last night evidently knowing how to run a cushion. My statements regarding the legends I mentioned was addressing those who already have him in that league. I'm not one of those. There is a lot that remains to be seen. It's doubtful he will ever have enough races to compare with the greatest. Some have him dominating the WoO circuit, and many have him winning the biggest races coming up as though they were no more than the same as what he has won the past week. Others tout his 21st to fifth at the Nationals......50 laps is a lot different than 30 laps, and it was done several times when it was thirty laps. I recognize he has a great talent, but it does need to be kept in perspective, at least for now. So I think we do agree on that.
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Why does he need to have "enough" races to compare to the greats? Use your eyes. Judging by your posts on here, you've seen a ton of sprint car racing. Why isn't it enough to just watch someone and make the case that they are one of the best you've ever seen? I wouldn't just limit myself to numbers. You can simply qualify your statement with the fact that he has a smaller sample size than those who raced on the tour for years and years. Here's an example of a argument that someone could make in a few years and I don't think it's unreasonable in the least..... Personally, I would make this argument now.
"Kyle Larson is one of the best drivers that I have ever seen wheel a sprint car. Despite the fact that his NASCAR obligations kept him away much of the time, he was always a huge threat to win whenever his car pulled into the pits. He won't ever be up as high on the all time wins list as his talent should place him, but he is indeed one of the greats."
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Posted By: blazer00 on July 04 2017 at 12:25:59 PM
By being the only one running the cushion early on, he did make it look pretty easy.....the cushion was the fast way around.....doesn't have a damn thing to do with "everybody would do it". Has more to do with nobody in front of him last night evidently knowing how to run a cushion. My statements regarding the legends I mentioned was addressing those who already have him in that league. I'm not one of those. There is a lot that remains to be seen. It's doubtful he will ever have enough races to compare with the greatest. Some have him dominating the WoO circuit, and many have him winning the biggest races coming up as though they were no more than the same as what he has won the past week. Others tout his 21st to fifth at the Nationals......50 laps is a lot different than 30 laps, and it was done several times when it was thirty laps. I recognize he has a great talent, but it does need to be kept in perspective, at least for now. So I think we do agree on that.
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They watered the bottom groove before the feature at Lincoln, and for some reason didn't put any moisture on the top. Larson was running away on the cushion and you could hear him pedaling the car coming out of four, not just hammering wide open blowing the tires off of the car. The guys who tried to follow on the top tried to blast the cushion like there was a big curb up there rather than a bunch of powder and had issues or just weren't as fast as Kyle. I thought the race was pretty good, but it would have been interesting if there had been a little moisture added to the top to get some of the guys off the bottom. The big takeaway from watching Kyle on two very different race tracks Sunday and Monday is that he is as good as they brag him up to be.
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