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  I'm not sure I agree with your math there fella. More realistic numbers might be half that?

Or twice as much. Limited sprints took over the country 20 years ago. ASCS, URC, ESS, Patriot, USCS, MSTS, UMSS, NCRA/GLSS, NRA, Top Gun Sprints, Nebraska 360 sprints, Civil War California 360s, Elk Grove Ford Sprint Car Challenge Tour, Knoxville 360s, Selinsgrove 360s/358s, Skagit, Texas, Arizona, Tennessee, Bunch of other tracks run 360s. Shitload of 305s nationwide also. Plus thousands of people are stuck in mini sprints, micros and outlaw karts because of the cost. None of them even existed when the Outlaws were formed. 

I can tell you one thing, I could give a shit less about their improvements at this point. The biggest improvement they could make is figuring out a way to reverse the trend of their consistently shrinking sprint car field. The scariest part is, of the 16 cars that were there tonight, how many of those cars will be there every week? Not many. There's still a few guys who will be there most weeks such as Ryan Taylor who weren't there but if you factor those guys into the equation, the field still isn't looking too great. Meanwhile, Lincoln pulled a strong field of 34 cars. Port seems to be all about the late models now. If you spend enough time going to races there, follow them on social media & read their press releases, it's pretty evident that the late models are where they are focusing the majority of their attention. One thing is for sure, they have a serious problem with the sprint field that needs to be addressed if they want to continue their weekly sprint car program. 

Cubic..The only item i agree with you is that 360 racing was not around 20 yrs ago, or if so was not as strong as today. Midgets, Micro racing, winged karts have brought kids up thru the ranks for as long as i can remember. Everyone has a belief on open wheel racing, or for that matter racing in general. Costs to run a competitive open wheel car in any class of racing has reached ridiculously high pricing.  Who's to blame, Weikert, Hamilton, Dyer, and many more from coast to coast. It was said KKR, Brad Sweet i believe, went thru 4 motors in Volousia. 4. At a cost of what 40 to 45K per. I doubt if they where total loses but that would have put most teams in the garage for the year. Open rules on motors when you factor in the costs are killing the sport. 410, 360 305 they are all priced out of sight. I have heard a 410 can be as hi as 48K, a 360 for 36K, and a 305 for 28. Do i have the answer, HELL NO. Everyoone else can reply on that, but remember when was the last time a idea you thought was the right one ever happend. NEVER. Tires don't matter in the big picture. There costs have been minor compared to other components on race cars today. As much as i hate to say it, at the end of the racing year tire companies are at least giving back to the sport threw point fund monies. So if your big time 48K motor builder sells say 10 grenades, that's 480,000, that comes out to roughly 3500 RR Hoosiers @ 140.00 a pop. A spec motor where you could call Brodix or Hilborn and say i want the spec WoO/All Star head/injection would reduce costs. The problem then is the owner that has all the $$$ into his car then has to race more competition for that same $$$. He doesn't want that. IT WILL NEVER CHANGE. 

Cubic..The only item i agree with you is that 360 racing was not around 20 yrs ago, or if so was not as strong as today. Midgets, Micro racing, winged karts have brought kids up thru the ranks for as long as i can remember. Everyone has a belief on open wheel racing, or for that matter racing in general. Costs to run a competitive open wheel car in any class of racing has reached ridiculously high pricing.  Who's to blame, Weikert, Hamilton, Dyer, and many more from coast to coast. It was said KKR, Brad Sweet i believe, went thru 4 motors in Volousia. 4. At a cost of what 40 to 45K per. I doubt if they where total loses but that would have put most teams in the garage for the year. Open rules on motors when you factor in the costs are killing the sport. 410, 360 305 they are all priced out of sight. I have heard a 410 can be as hi as 48K, a 360 for 36K, and a 305 for 28. Do i have the answer, HELL NO. Everyoone else can reply on that, but remember when was the last time a idea you thought was the right one ever happend. NEVER. Tires don't matter in the big picture. There costs have been minor compared to other components on race cars today. As much as i hate to say it, at the end of the racing year tire companies are at least giving back to the sport threw point fund monies. So if your big time 48K motor builder sells say 10 grenades, that's 480,000, that comes out to roughly 3500 RR Hoosiers @ 140.00 a pop. A spec motor where you could call Brodix or Hilborn and say i want the spec WoO/All Star head/injection would reduce costs. The problem then is the owner that has all the $$$ into his car then has to race more competition for that same $$$. He doesn't want that. IT WILL NEVER CHANGE. 

I wasn't aware that the LM's did anything to their engine rules? Some of them run motors bigger than 410. What they did do was institute smaller tire size and hardness rules. Also limited spoiler sizes. The LM's also have a choice of tire manufacturer at most tracks and sanctions. If I won the powerball and bought a track, the 1st thing I would do is eliminate CI engine rules and hoosier tire rules in favor of a harder tire of the teams choice. It's not about slowing them down but making them more affordable and better racing(less locked down). Not many people complain about wingless sprints being too slow although they are slower than a winged 305. Sprints are my first love but it sure seems like I'm seeing way better LM features than sprints lately, especially at Port Royal. The sprints have been pretty good but the LM's have been really good. 

You're right. That was 20 years ago. For there to be 2,000 360 sprints out there now, each of the groups you've listed above would need to have 100 cars. Come to think of it, you're not even close. 

ASCS claims they have 1000-1500 themselves. Much less all the other limited sprint and 305 organizations. 

https://www.sprintcarhof.com/FileGet.aspx?ID=265

     Geez- at least read the article. The article is 10 years old (note the date on the bottom). That's like saying that if you *claim* there is 2000 360 teams it must be true just because you said it. How 'bout you prove that there's even 500 360 teams out there. I think you're way out there and you have no way to prove it.

Excellent article on DD and Susky on Sprint Car Unlimited. Apparently he had a one race suspension from the incident last season.

For non-subscribers to SCU, what happened to Dietrich at Susquehanna?

     Geez- at least read the article. The article is 10 years old (note the date on the bottom). That's like saying that if you *claim* there is 2000 360 teams it must be true just because you said it. How 'bout you prove that there's even 500 360 teams out there. I think you're way out there and you have no way to prove it.

3 tracks ran 360s in Alaska last year if it helps you, about 30 guys. Average of 30 teams x 50 states = 1500. I know it is hard for you to count past 10 with your shoes on but give me a break. Emmitt Hahn is way closer than you with 1500.

I guessed 2000 limited sprints altogether: 360s, 358s and 305s. I also still stand by the statement sprint car racing would be a lot healthier with 2000 unlimited sprints instead of 400 410s and 1500 360s.

In Summary: He came out late to the starting grid (claimed the speakers in the pits were not working). He was put to the rear and stopped on the front stretch to protest and argued with the officials and was towed to the pits. Later got into a pissing contest on twitter with Susquehanna's General Manager.......

     Not even close.  There must be 1,000 polar bears in Alaska. 1000 x 50 states= 50,000 polar bears in the USA. How many live in your neighborhood?

     The obvious reason you you have to resort to inept *proof* like above is that you can't find anything other than your own opinion to back up what you say. Hint: your opinion is your opinion. It's not truth just because you say it.

     Before you said "1500 360 teams" now you're changing your tune and saying it's 360, 358s and 305s altogether. It appears that even you are having doubts believing number. If you don't believe in what you're telling yourself, how could anyone else?

Get your story straight already...lol. I said 2000 360s, 358s and 305s. Not 1500. Or 2000 unlimited sprints once they did away with the 410s and 360s and combined them. Emmitt Hahn has always said there is around 1500 different ASCS 360s cars around. Add in non-ASCS stuff: Cali 360s, Florida, PA 358s, 305s, IMCA sprints. Easily 2000 even if some of them replaced ASCS over the past 10 years. You're off if you don't think there is an average of 40 sprint cars in each state. 40x50 states=2000. Some states like Hawaii might not have any now (they used to) but others have hundreds.

Good job. Sounds like you're coming around a little bit. You are not gagging on them anymore, just kissing their ass.

It's pretty simple. There are currently 400 410 teams and 1500 360 teams. Sprint car racing would be a lot healthier with 2000 unlimited teams.