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March 06, 2017 at
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I wouldn't bet on the "not happening" and I sure as heck wouldn't bet against them when it does happen. The pockets are deeper this time.
The 15 will have the right combination of stuff like it has for a long time now - only the motors will cost a bunch more.
If the "Chevy" is $60,000, then the true conservative, "unassisted" number on the Ford has got to be at least $80,000 - unless the conventional Chevy vs. everyone else prices don't apply for some reason.
I don't see this as being a good thing. Those that can will jump on the bandwagon, and those that can't will go home.
Hope I'm wrong........again.........still.
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March 06, 2017 at
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Does donny Schatz have a racing nick name???
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March 06, 2017 at
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Posted By: wolfie2985 on March 06 2017 at 11:45:09 AM
I wouldn't bet on the "not happening" and I sure as heck wouldn't bet against them when it does happen. The pockets are deeper this time.
The 15 will have the right combination of stuff like it has for a long time now - only the motors will cost a bunch more.
If the "Chevy" is $60,000, then the true conservative, "unassisted" number on the Ford has got to be at least $80,000 - unless the conventional Chevy vs. everyone else prices don't apply for some reason.
I don't see this as being a good thing. Those that can will jump on the bandwagon, and those that can't will go home.
Hope I'm wrong........again.........still.
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I couldn't agree More and I'm a ford guy. I don't see it as being a good thing for sprint car racing. Ford motor co could easily spend a few million on a sprint car program without blinking.
I know RYR built 70 engines for the 2 NASCAR weekends at Daytona. After the 150 mile qualifiers all of the motors were removed and were in mooredville the following morning for inspection for the 500. Those motors are $140K/race.
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March 06, 2017 at
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Posted By: rubbinsracing on March 06 2017 at 11:50:51 AM
Does donny Schatz have a racing nick name???
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First On Race Day Donny?
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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March 06, 2017 at
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Posted By: wolfie2985 on March 06 2017 at 11:45:09 AM
I wouldn't bet on the "not happening" and I sure as heck wouldn't bet against them when it does happen. The pockets are deeper this time.
The 15 will have the right combination of stuff like it has for a long time now - only the motors will cost a bunch more.
If the "Chevy" is $60,000, then the true conservative, "unassisted" number on the Ford has got to be at least $80,000 - unless the conventional Chevy vs. everyone else prices don't apply for some reason.
I don't see this as being a good thing. Those that can will jump on the bandwagon, and those that can't will go home.
Hope I'm wrong........again.........still.
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Yea, but why would they do it?
Just money?
Actually I would like to see more variety, but I can't see why a team with everything to lose would take that risk...
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March 06, 2017 at
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Posted By: wolfie2985 on March 06 2017 at 11:45:09 AM
I wouldn't bet on the "not happening" and I sure as heck wouldn't bet against them when it does happen. The pockets are deeper this time.
The 15 will have the right combination of stuff like it has for a long time now - only the motors will cost a bunch more.
If the "Chevy" is $60,000, then the true conservative, "unassisted" number on the Ford has got to be at least $80,000 - unless the conventional Chevy vs. everyone else prices don't apply for some reason.
I don't see this as being a good thing. Those that can will jump on the bandwagon, and those that can't will go home.
Hope I'm wrong........again.........still.
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I never thought of it that way before. Unfortunately you may be on to something there. We'll have to wait and see I guess.
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March 06, 2017 at
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Posted By: revjimk on March 06 2017 at 03:24:16 PM
Yea, but why would they do it?
Just money?
Actually I would like to see more variety, but I can't see why a team with everything to lose would take that risk...
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In their case, they can always go back to what they're doing if it doesn't work out. It may cost them a season but I see it as high risk vs. high reward. If they find something in the Ford's that make them even better when they're already light years better than everyone else, it just widens the gap that much more and because it's something that currently no one else has, it will make it that much harder for the others to catch the 15. Let's say several other teams make a switch to Ford's after getting their asses beaten, the 15 team will already be way ahead of them in R&D.
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March 06, 2017 at
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Posted By: revjimk on March 06 2017 at 03:24:16 PM
Yea, but why would they do it?
Just money?
Actually I would like to see more variety, but I can't see why a team with everything to lose would take that risk...
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That team did not get to where there at by not trying things... yea, the engine is a big change but you can bet your last penny that it will be thoroughly tested before it hits the track. Did you ever here the Story of when ford wanted to win lemans with their 427 gt40? The engine was ran on a Dyno that simulated the lemans race track, every gear change, mulsane straight etc.. the goal was to get it to run race simulated conditions for 48 hours! they could only reach 43. That was with technology that's 50 year old. I could see them put a racepac into the 15 to see exactly what's goin on out on the track & then duplicate & improve with the ford.
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March 06, 2017 at
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Tequila of coarse. This name evolved in about 1996 when everyone in the sport exept the best guy ever was getting beaten by a Ford but essentially no one else chose to run one. This will continue in 2018 unless they are paid to do so. Chevy runs deap and no deaper anywhere than big time sprint car racing from the 1960s to infinity and beyond.
I'm confused. Is the Ford going to be so similar that only the valve covers will be different from the chev or so different that it will cost twice as much or even millions of dollars? Which is it? Thanks in advance.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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March 06, 2017 at
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Posted By: wolfie2985 on March 06 2017 at 11:45:09 AM
I wouldn't bet on the "not happening" and I sure as heck wouldn't bet against them when it does happen. The pockets are deeper this time.
The 15 will have the right combination of stuff like it has for a long time now - only the motors will cost a bunch more.
If the "Chevy" is $60,000, then the true conservative, "unassisted" number on the Ford has got to be at least $80,000 - unless the conventional Chevy vs. everyone else prices don't apply for some reason.
I don't see this as being a good thing. Those that can will jump on the bandwagon, and those that can't will go home.
Hope I'm wrong........again.........still.
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How do you figure the Ford would cost 33% more? I can see that with off the shelf speed parts, cause Chevy is a much higher volume sales item, but both of these sprint engines are specially made items, probably not a single actual Ford or Chevy part in them...
Prototypes always cost more due to R&D costs, but once production gets started, wouldn't it even out?
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March 06, 2017 at
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Posted By: revjimk on March 06 2017 at 06:55:24 PM
How do you figure the Ford would cost 33% more? I can see that with off the shelf speed parts, cause Chevy is a much higher volume sales item, but both of these sprint engines are specially made items, probably not a single actual Ford or Chevy part in them...
Prototypes always cost more due to R&D costs, but once production gets started, wouldn't it even out?
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Theyll be lucky if they are only 33% more. NASCAR fords are $140K per race.
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March 06, 2017 at
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Posted By: maddog53 on March 05 2017 at 07:53:05 AM
Hey Sarge, you have no time to post on here. Finish that basement you are working on so you can have a great Blackhawk party.. They are looking roster depletedly good....
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Sorry----I'll get back to work 
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March 07, 2017 at
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When in racing has the cost come down on anything?
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March 07, 2017 at
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Posted By: rubbinsracing on March 06 2017 at 11:50:51 AM
Does donny Schatz have a racing nick name???
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The North Dakota Nitemare
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March 07, 2017 at
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More random gibberish:
I'm dating myself - during the last go round at this, I'm pretty sure that Bob Fetter and Casey Luna would have gladly traded their number for that 33%.
I may be wrong...still....again, but I'd bet that Mopar's big corporate money drove the price up for everyone - and Ford's will do the same.
Back in the day, guys figured-out they could compete, maybe not win - but compete, with the big dollar small blocks by installing a small dollar big block. That worked pretty good until the big dollar guys got the big dollar big blocks. The big block then died a sudden death.
Those big dollar guys included Al Hamilton and Bob Weikert - two great car owners who never came close to the Fortune 500 list that Ford sits near the top of.
Big money - the demise of good racing as you know (knew) it.
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