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February 14, 2017 at
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Article in this week's Area Auto Racing News that says TI22 and their GF1 chassis have suspended operations for building any new sprint car chassis. Kind of suprised by this news, considering the success of KKR, CJB, and Dale Blaney over the last few years. I guess George Fisher's death might have factored into the decision.
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Posted By: bgtexpress on February 14 2017 at 09:03:52 AM
Article in this week's Area Auto Racing News that says TI22 and their GF1 chassis have suspended operations for building any new sprint car chassis. Kind of suprised by this news, considering the success of KKR, CJB, and Dale Blaney over the last few years. I guess George Fisher's death might have factored into the decision.
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You think? Doh!
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February 15, 2017 at
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Double DOH
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February 15, 2017 at
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Not so fast Captain Obvious.....before you two jump down my thought.....yes George's death was a factor.....but according to the article, the primary reason for shutting down the chassis building part of the company was the fact they could not longer compete with the pricing of xXx cars.
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February 15, 2017 at
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Posted By: bgtexpress on February 15 2017 at 11:45:47 AM
Not so fast Captain Obvious.....before you two jump down my thought.....yes George's death was a factor.....but according to the article, the primary reason for shutting down the chassis building part of the company was the fact they could not longer compete with the pricing of xXx cars.
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So what's next, engines built in China?
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February 15, 2017 at
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The answer to most questions whether racing or not usually has a connection to money or the lack of... I'd guess the bottom line is if they had been making money or enough of it building gf1's, they would continue to make them.
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February 15, 2017 at
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Posted By: cheroger on February 15 2017 at 11:59:02 AM
So what's next, engines built in China?
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There are lots of chinese cranks and rods out there. They won't hold up in a 410.
Some American chassis used to be made out of .065 before rules. They can get away with running chinese .095 tubing. It's as least as strong as American .065. Main problem they have with triplejunk is consistency. That is why some teams have been going away from them even though they were getting them for nothing. Others have been trying to fix them when the get them, or they just pick out the good ones if they are given a bunch.
https://youtu.be/AOf-S1Ve1VU
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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February 15, 2017 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on February 15 2017 at 07:38:39 PM
There are lots of chinese cranks and rods out there. They won't hold up in a 410.
Some American chassis used to be made out of .065 before rules. They can get away with running chinese .095 tubing. It's as least as strong as American .065. Main problem they have with triplejunk is consistency. That is why some teams have been going away from them even though they were getting them for nothing. Others have been trying to fix them when the get them, or they just pick out the good ones if they are given a bunch.
https://youtu.be/AOf-S1Ve1VU
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The young man from Texas at the Chili Bowl, that had his cage heavely damaged, resulting in injury was driving a XXX. At least it had a XXX decal on the chassis. Yes, it was a direct hit on the concrete barrier to both top parallel bars, but the damage seemed extreme. Did XXX conduct an inspection or a study as to why the cage failed?
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February 15, 2017 at
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Posted By: cheroger on February 15 2017 at 08:48:42 PM
The young man from Texas at the Chili Bowl, that had his cage heavely damaged, resulting in injury was driving a XXX. At least it had a XXX decal on the chassis. Yes, it was a direct hit on the concrete barrier to both top parallel bars, but the damage seemed extreme. Did XXX conduct an inspection or a study as to why the cage failed?
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It was an XXX chassis.
We were present at ChilliBowl and thoroughly inspected that chassis post a horrific crash in which a cart wheeling car came down from probably 20 feet in the air cage first onto a cement jersey barrier … and basically stopped with the top of the cage taking the entirety of that force. It was at the end of the straight away, the fastest point on the track. There were almost no other events in that accident post contact with the cement jersey barrier to absorb any energy.
You are correct in that, the top rails above the cage were severely bent. But, there was not a single severed tube, and not a single broken weld throughout the entire chassis. The integrity of both the front and rear the cage uprights, and A-Frame were not compromised. The construction of that chassis performed its function perfectly, bending but not breaking.
And, most important to us as a company, the driver was released from hospital that same night.
Not sure how that could possibly be considered a “cage failure”.
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I love how a thread started about GF1 shutting down production turns into XXX cars being poorly made...LOL
do it in the dirt
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You knew this thread was gonna go downhill when the words "XXX" was mentioned...
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Posted By: [email protected] on February 15 2017 at 10:34:51 PM
It was an XXX chassis.
We were present at ChilliBowl and thoroughly inspected that chassis post a horrific crash in which a cart wheeling car came down from probably 20 feet in the air cage first onto a cement jersey barrier … and basically stopped with the top of the cage taking the entirety of that force. It was at the end of the straight away, the fastest point on the track. There were almost no other events in that accident post contact with the cement jersey barrier to absorb any energy.
You are correct in that, the top rails above the cage were severely bent. But, there was not a single severed tube, and not a single broken weld throughout the entire chassis. The integrity of both the front and rear the cage uprights, and A-Frame were not compromised. The construction of that chassis performed its function perfectly, bending but not breaking.
And, most important to us as a company, the driver was released from hospital that same night.
Not sure how that could possibly be considered a “cage failure”.
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My bad, "cage failure" was not the correct choice of words. I am more than pleased that your company did a thorough inspection of the chassis with the results a tribute to the construction. Perhaps a larger wall thickness should be considered for these two sections in the future?
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Posted By: [email protected] on February 15 2017 at 10:34:51 PM
It was an XXX chassis.
We were present at ChilliBowl and thoroughly inspected that chassis post a horrific crash in which a cart wheeling car came down from probably 20 feet in the air cage first onto a cement jersey barrier … and basically stopped with the top of the cage taking the entirety of that force. It was at the end of the straight away, the fastest point on the track. There were almost no other events in that accident post contact with the cement jersey barrier to absorb any energy.
You are correct in that, the top rails above the cage were severely bent. But, there was not a single severed tube, and not a single broken weld throughout the entire chassis. The integrity of both the front and rear the cage uprights, and A-Frame were not compromised. The construction of that chassis performed its function perfectly, bending but not breaking.
And, most important to us as a company, the driver was released from hospital that same night.
Not sure how that could possibly be considered a “cage failure”.
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How can you consider that a cage failure, the young man was released that night from the hospital. That was a terrible crash and cage saved his life.
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Posted By: cheroger on February 16 2017 at 08:25:54 AM
My bad, "cage failure" was not the correct choice of words. I am more than pleased that your company did a thorough inspection of the chassis with the results a tribute to the construction. Perhaps a larger wall thickness should be considered for these two sections in the future?
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I'm assuming you know for a fact that the wall thickness was not adequate?
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Posted By: [email protected] on February 15 2017 at 10:34:51 PM
It was an XXX chassis.
We were present at ChilliBowl and thoroughly inspected that chassis post a horrific crash in which a cart wheeling car came down from probably 20 feet in the air cage first onto a cement jersey barrier … and basically stopped with the top of the cage taking the entirety of that force. It was at the end of the straight away, the fastest point on the track. There were almost no other events in that accident post contact with the cement jersey barrier to absorb any energy.
You are correct in that, the top rails above the cage were severely bent. But, there was not a single severed tube, and not a single broken weld throughout the entire chassis. The integrity of both the front and rear the cage uprights, and A-Frame were not compromised. The construction of that chassis performed its function perfectly, bending but not breaking.
And, most important to us as a company, the driver was released from hospital that same night.
Not sure how that could possibly be considered a “cage failure”.
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I get the chinese thing, but it appears to me that what you get with Triple X that you don't get with just about every other chinese product is product support - support like coming onto to this often less the pleasant environment and answering the critics.
It's one thing to support your products at the track, on the phone.....but to come on here and do it is something else entirely.
Kudos to you, Mark
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Posted By: [email protected] on February 15 2017 at 10:34:51 PM
It was an XXX chassis.
We were present at ChilliBowl and thoroughly inspected that chassis post a horrific crash in which a cart wheeling car came down from probably 20 feet in the air cage first onto a cement jersey barrier … and basically stopped with the top of the cage taking the entirety of that force. It was at the end of the straight away, the fastest point on the track. There were almost no other events in that accident post contact with the cement jersey barrier to absorb any energy.
You are correct in that, the top rails above the cage were severely bent. But, there was not a single severed tube, and not a single broken weld throughout the entire chassis. The integrity of both the front and rear the cage uprights, and A-Frame were not compromised. The construction of that chassis performed its function perfectly, bending but not breaking.
And, most important to us as a company, the driver was released from hospital that same night.
Not sure how that could possibly be considered a “cage failure”.
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I have never owned a XXX chassis, but alot of other people have. XXX has sold alot of cars and if there was something wrong with tubes or welding you would have heard about it many times over in the past years. We have these people who have never owned a car or worked on a car or driven a car that are experts on everything. I have seen wrecked American made cars that had tubes broken. So things happen which we can not always explain. The roll cage on this midget did its job and the driver is ok. If people buy XXX and like them everything is fine.
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Posted By: bgtexpress on February 15 2017 at 11:45:47 AM
Not so fast Captain Obvious.....before you two jump down my thought.....yes George's death was a factor.....but according to the article, the primary reason for shutting down the chassis building part of the company was the fact they could not longer compete with the pricing of xXx cars.
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You brought up George Fishers death and I have never jumped down someone's thought, not sure how to, I guess you were fishing for someone to bring up the XXX. You were being Captain Obvious not us DOH!
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Posted By: DONT KNOW DONT CARE on February 17 2017 at 06:49:35 PM
You brought up George Fishers death and I have never jumped down someone's thought, not sure how to, I guess you were fishing for someone to bring up the XXX. You were being Captain Obvious not us DOH!
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You original reponse of DOH insinuated that off course George's death was the SOLE reason GF1 is shutting down. According to the article in AARN, whch I doubt you read, stated it was a factor, but the MAIN reason was the pricing of a xXx chassis vs what TI22 was charging for their chassis Despite the success of their cars on the track, GF1's business has been cut in half over the last year.......Never intended to turn the thread into a typical Hosehead's pissing contest toward the merit's of the xXx, just passing on information to those who may not subscribe to Area Auto Racing News.
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Posted By: cheroger on February 15 2017 at 08:48:42 PM
The young man from Texas at the Chili Bowl, that had his cage heavely damaged, resulting in injury was driving a XXX. At least it had a XXX decal on the chassis. Yes, it was a direct hit on the concrete barrier to both top parallel bars, but the damage seemed extreme. Did XXX conduct an inspection or a study as to why the cage failed?
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Then what is your excuse for the cage collapsing on Shane Hmiel's car at Terra Haute ?? The the problem is concrete walls l.
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Posted By: zerorules on February 17 2017 at 11:41:11 PM
Then what is your excuse for the cage collapsing on Shane Hmiel's car at Terra Haute ?? The the problem is concrete walls l.
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Steve King's crash at Knoxville was in a winged, non XXX car. Very similar crashes with the top of the cage hitting the wall first. I was not at Shane's crash but was there at Knoxville for Mr. Kings. I have seen video of Shane's crash and it amazes me how similar both of these were. Only difference is when I saw Shane's crash i felt the worst possible outcome because of there not being a wing to absorb some of the impact. I honestly didn't think anything of Steve's crash right away as I had seen way worse. Shane is still with us today and unfortunately Steve is not.
This has nothing to do with chassis builder. Bottom line is, had that steel on the xxx chassis on the midget been weak or not as thick as required by rule, he would not be with us today. It simply amazes me how many so called "fans" take the first chance they get to degrade a certain aspect of our sport. What ever happend to the fans who actually just sit back and enjoy the fact that they are getting dirt in their face?
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