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Topic: PennLive's National 410 Sprint Car rankings for 2015
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December 31, 2015 at
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Posted By: oswald on December 30 2015 at 07:00:43 PM
So Brian Brown did not make the list? He's not considered among the top 25? Even though he beat Clausen, Lasoski and McCall regularly. And got a WoO win away from his home track! I would say the person that made these rankings needs to get out of Pa. a little more.
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I think Brian is very talented and one of the better drivers in the country. A year ago, he is solidly on the list. However, he had a bad year in 2015. He did not regularly beat Lasoski — see NSL standings — and only won two or three 410 races all year. I expect him to have a better 2016.
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December 31, 2015 at
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Posted By: gators0849 on December 31 2015 at 12:18:54 AM
I think Brian is very talented and one of the better drivers in the country. A year ago, he is solidly on the list. However, he had a bad year in 2015. He did not regularly beat Lasoski — see NSL standings — and only won two or three 410 races all year. I expect him to have a better 2016.
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5th in points at Knoxville and didn't run all the races. Against the best weekly field in the nation. The competition at Knoxville every Saturday was tougher than at a lot of NSL shows. How many on that list beat the WoO away from their regular home tracks?
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December 31, 2015 at
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Posted By: blazer00 on December 30 2015 at 10:05:39 PM
Yeh I respond with opinions and sometimes I drop a little "crap" on certain posts. Maybe you should check out what I responded to if you want to get involved with a remark. I was responding to a post that insinuated that Pittman's time in PA was the reason he won the Championship. Schatz may not win the title this year....nobody knows at this point. But if he doesn't, it will probably be because he has a rough portion of the sason. My opinion only of course. But I don't think anybody is going to flat out out race him. Take a look back at the 2013 season. Pittman had 8 wins on the year and Schatz had 23. After the first (approx) third of the season Piitman was way out in front and had the majority of his wins already in the bag for the entire season. Scahtz got it in gear and closed the gap hard the entire remainder of the season. Pittman won the title by a mere 8 points! With that win ratio between the two of them, tell me I'm wrong in that the first third of the season didn't cost Schatz the title.
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The season isn't based on 2/3 of the year, though. It is easy to cherrypick portions of the year that should count for points based on whether or not a team was running good or bad.
Feel free to go through past seasons and tell us who should have won the titles each year if only certain portions of the schedule counted for points each year.
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December 31, 2015 at
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Posted By: Truth teller on December 31 2015 at 01:58:58 AM
The season isn't based on 2/3 of the year, though. It is easy to cherrypick portions of the year that should count for points based on whether or not a team was running good or bad.
Feel free to go through past seasons and tell us who should have won the titles each year if only certain portions of the schedule counted for points each year.
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It's a fact that Pittman won the title. You believe he won it, I believe he backed in to it. As far as my going back through other seasons, that isn't necessary. There wasn't another season like 2013, so I don't believe I cherry picked to arrive at my opinion. I've always felt that not enough points are awarded for a win. Again, my opinion. And you are correct. A season isn't decided on 2/3 of a season....unless you're a NASCAR fan where the season championship is decided on less than 1/3 of a full season....which I hate!
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December 31, 2015 at
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I don't get too worked up on looking at someone's results when they race 20% of the WoO schedule. What I do heavily weight is performance in the crown jewels. First, if you don't make an attempt even at racing all 3 crown jewels, how can you put him in your top 5?
Second, in the last say 12 of these races, WoO teams have won 10, you know the group thats supposed to suck other than Schatz. The only team to beat the Outlaws is Fred Rahmer's team. The mediocre bunch also took top 5 spots at knoxville.
The silly d main argument for the natty open, the track for time trials was atrocious. Madsen was the last guy to qualify, seemed to try to detune his motor to try and be able to run more flat out around the track and it backfired. Madsen is a fine driver who's shown he can win and is especially good at Eldora and Knoxville.
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Posted By: dsc1600 on December 31 2015 at 11:25:45 AM
I don't get too worked up on looking at someone's results when they race 20% of the WoO schedule. What I do heavily weight is performance in the crown jewels. First, if you don't make an attempt even at racing all 3 crown jewels, how can you put him in your top 5?
Second, in the last say 12 of these races, WoO teams have won 10, you know the group thats supposed to suck other than Schatz. The only team to beat the Outlaws is Fred Rahmer's team. The mediocre bunch also took top 5 spots at knoxville.
The silly d main argument for the natty open, the track for time trials was atrocious. Madsen was the last guy to qualify, seemed to try to detune his motor to try and be able to run more flat out around the track and it backfired. Madsen is a fine driver who's shown he can win and is especially good at Eldora and Knoxville.
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Sir, your are gonna have to stop it with this common sense, factual bullshit. We all know that Central Pa is the only place that has talented sprint car drivers and the World of Outlaws with the exception of Schatz are shit because they sometimes struggle at a very difficult track that the locals race at 30 times a year and they only race at 6 or 7 times a year. What happens beyond the Pennsylvania border doesn't matter. It's all about Williams Grove, Lincoln and Port Royal. Hell Schatz would even suck if he didn't have a Posse crew chief! Actually, everything you said is 100% correct. Well said.
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December 31, 2015 at
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Posted By: oswald on December 31 2015 at 12:42:26 AM
5th in points at Knoxville and didn't run all the races. Against the best weekly field in the nation. The competition at Knoxville every Saturday was tougher than at a lot of NSL shows. How many on that list beat the WoO away from their regular home tracks?
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I'm well aware of the competition at Knoxville. It's the strongest weekly competition in the country. However, Brown won three 410 races this year. Tucson, Knoxville and Brandon. Sure, he beat the Outlaws once and the NSL, but for the most part, he struggled throughout the season.
Brown is one of my favorite guys to watch, and I think he is super talented. But I also thought he struggled this year and was inconsistent. I have no doubt he bounces back next season.
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Posted By: gators0849 on December 31 2015 at 04:20:07 PM
I'm well aware of the competition at Knoxville. It's the strongest weekly competition in the country. However, Brown won three 410 races this year. Tucson, Knoxville and Brandon. Sure, he beat the Outlaws once and the NSL, but for the most part, he struggled throughout the season.
Brown is one of my favorite guys to watch, and I think he is super talented. But I also thought he struggled this year and was inconsistent. I have no doubt he bounces back next season.
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I guess those races he should have easily won but didn't because of a part failure or getting collected in someone else's wreck or getting pounded in the arm by a mud clod prove he's not as good as some of the PA boys on your list.
But I suppose you are only looking at finishes, not how well a guy actually ran all year. Some bad luck means your not a top 25 racer.
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December 31, 2015 at
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Has Brian Brown proved he's one of the top 25 drivers in the nation over the past 5-7 years or more? Absolutely. But he did have a bad year in 2015. The rankings were based on the year's performance, not the driver's talent and potential. For that reason I can see why Brian did not make the list. I'd sure be willing to bet he will make the list in 2016!
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December 31, 2015 at
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Posted By: oswald on December 31 2015 at 07:15:38 PM
I guess those races he should have easily won but didn't because of a part failure or getting collected in someone else's wreck or getting pounded in the arm by a mud clod prove he's not as good as some of the PA boys on your list.
But I suppose you are only looking at finishes, not how well a guy actually ran all year. Some bad luck means your not a top 25 racer.
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I'm sure there are plenty of drivers that lost races because of bad luck. Sure, I consider that. But it's not like he was leading the Kings Royal or Knoxville Nationals and broke. It's curious that you haven't brought up the show he won at Knoxville because Tim Kaeding was disqualified.
Again, I like Brian Brown. I think he is one of the most talented drivers in the country. It was nothing personal. He just didn't have a good year, and I'm sure it will be different in 2016.
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January 06, 2016 at
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Another power ranking...
http://sprintcarmania.com/schatz-unstoppable-in-stida-winged-410-power-rankings-see-this-years-top-150/
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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January 06, 2016 at
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Posted By: BigRightRear on January 06 2016 at 05:23:18 PM
Another power ranking...
http://sprintcarmania.com/schatz-unstoppable-in-stida-winged-410-power-rankings-see-this-years-top-150/
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Interesting. This one is more "Posse Friendly". Do you know where they're from?
I would have Steve Smith & Lasoski higher.....
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January 06, 2016 at
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It says this...I'm not familiar with STIDA.com
The Wheatley Chronicles – Volume III, No. 90
Lonnie Wheatley, TULSA, Okla. (December 23, 2015) – The 2015 season was undeniably the year for the driver of the No. 15 Sprint Car, as Donny Schatz raced to North American victory lane on 31 occasions to top the STIDA Winged 410 Sprint Car Power Rankings for the third year in a row.
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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