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That is another myth. Osky had a 2 day show for non winged cars a few years back and they had about 25 cars. Car counts started to dip the minute they brought usac in as did the winners share (from 30k to about 10k). 

I don't know how you guys feel on here but I would seriously like to  see Knoxville bring back USAC on Sunday night or Saturday night before the Nationals , and then Terry Mc Carl  can bring them over to OSKY onTuesday like it was . Its good to see  different forms of racing other wing racing alone at the mecca of sprint car racing . You know they really didn't do the job with the previous USAC races there .

Hey guys, lease a track of your own and then you can run it the way you want to and show the rest of us how smart you are.  Why would Knoxville change the Cappy Classic when it seems to be doing OK as is.  It is a bunch of bunk that USAC does not want to run on 1/2 mile tracks.  It is also a bunch of bunk that it has anything to do with a cushion.  You need cars, money and fans.  If you do not have all three it will fail.

To get the cars and stars, it needs to be an open race that doesn't conflict with USAC, with a winged car purse. 

I've also been told by a Knoxville Official that USAC doesn't want to be a "Support" class, personally I like the non-wing better then winged cars - but living only 35 miles from Knoxville makes Me a Knoxville person. I do drive to osky when the non-wingers are there, I've even driven to Eagle to watch a non-wing show while the WOO were at Knoxville. I've always enjoyed every USAC show Knoxville has every had and would go again.

I understand the not wanting to pull out here for just one show, maybe a schedule something like this would work the weekend before the Nationals - Sunday afternoon Iowa Speedway (maybe some kind of ticket deal), Sunday Night Knoxville (Split program with the 410's) and Monday Osky.

In my opinion, if the USAC show at Knoxville was a big $$ maker, it would still be on the card.  The facts are that not enough people came to watch.  The crowd on Saturday night of 360 Nationals is probably close to 12-13,000 and when USAC was there on Sunday, it was, at best, a regular Saturday night crowd of 3-3500.  When they changed to the Cappi Classic, the ticket price stayed the same, but the crowd doubled.

If you were a promotor, what would you do?  Have a race with half of the butts in the seats watching, half the cars in the infield, and the same purse and expenses?  It was a no-brainer for them.

IF (and I have no knowledge either way) USAC indeed was offered to be the support division for some race during the Nationals and turned it down, that is their fault, not any promotors fault.  Fans can complain all day, yet when it comes down to it, they really have all the power.  If the USAC show at Knoxville drew more fans, it would probably still be in in existence.  As it stands, the fans spoke by not coming or by supporting the winged shows more.

For those that think a large group of fans would come just because USAC is on the card might want to double check that.  The other USAC races held throughout the years at Knoxville haven't been supported by the fans either (Midgets, the Silver Crown Races, USAC Sprints).  While there are "some" that do support it, that # is not enough to offset those fans that watch the winged races (360 or 410) that didn't show up when USAC was the only show on the card.

Maybe some of you should rent a track and become a promotor, seems like we lose some every year and no one takes their place.

In my opinion, if the USAC show at Knoxville was a big $$ maker, it would still be on the card.  The facts are that not enough people came to watch.  The crowd on Saturday night of 360 Nationals is probably close to 12-13,000 and when USAC was there on Sunday, it was, at best, a regular Saturday night crowd of 3-3500.  When they changed to the Cappi Classic, the ticket price stayed the same, but the crowd doubled.

If you were a promotor, what would you do?  Have a race with half of the butts in the seats watching, half the cars in the infield, and the same purse and expenses?  It was a no-brainer for them.

IF (and I have no knowledge either way) USAC indeed was offered to be the support division for some race during the Nationals and turned it down, that is their fault, not any promotors fault.  Fans can complain all day, yet when it comes down to it, they really have all the power.  If the USAC show at Knoxville drew more fans, it would probably still be in in existence.  As it stands, the fans spoke by not coming or by supporting the winged shows more.

For those that think a large group of fans would come just because USAC is on the card might want to double check that.  The other USAC races held throughout the years at Knoxville haven't been supported by the fans either (Midgets, the Silver Crown Races, USAC Sprints).  While there are "some" that do support it, that # is not enough to offset those fans that watch the winged races (360 or 410) that didn't show up when USAC was the only show on the card.

Maybe some of you should rent a track and become a promotor, seems like we lose some every year and no one takes their place.

I agree 100%. Well said. So many people like Altman want this and want that yet they don't take a second to think about how practical something is. They just know they want it and in their mind, someone else is obligated to make it happen regardless of the circumstances because they think they're entitled to see what they want. Like you said, if it made money and met the needs of all parties involved, it would still be on the schedule but it isn't, therefore it wasn't successful enough. Simple as that

Sir , it is not  what I want or don't want , I just propose or ask a question . I realize the risks of a promoter , but also know a show has to be promoted  or use marketing to get the word out as well . I did not think at the time Knoxville did a very good job on getting the word out about the USAC shows they had at Knoxville those years 2010 and 2011 I believe they were held . Risk is something  alot of promoters won't always take , Bob Miller will usually take the risk regardless of what you guys think . He is bringing back USAC to lIncoln and having two features that night to make up for last year .

Sir , it is not  what I want or don't want , I just propose or ask a question . I realize the risks of a promoter , but also know a show has to be promoted  or use marketing to get the word out as well . I did not think at the time Knoxville did a very good job on getting the word out about the USAC shows they had at Knoxville those years 2010 and 2011 I believe they were held . Risk is something  alot of promoters won't always take , Bob Miller will usually take the risk regardless of what you guys think . He is bringing back USAC to lIncoln and having two features that night to make up for last year .

Sir , it is not  what I want or don't want , I just propose or ask a question . I realize the risks of a promoter , but also know a show has to be promoted  or use marketing to get the word out as well . I did not think at the time Knoxville did a very good job on getting the word out about the USAC shows they had at Knoxville those years 2010 and 2011 I believe they were held . Risk is something  alot of promoters won't always take , Bob Miller will usually take the risk regardless of what you guys think . He is bringing back USAC to lIncoln and having two features that night to make up for last year .

I don't know how you guys feel on here but I would seriously like to  see Knoxville bring back USAC on Sunday night or Saturday night before the Nationals , and then Terry Mc Carl  can bring them over to OSKY onTuesday like it was . Its good to see  different forms of racing other wing racing alone at the mecca of sprint car racing . You know they really didn't do the job with the previous USAC races there .

Thanks for the laugh. The fact that you use Bob Miller as a good example of how to promote a USAC show after last years fiasco at Lincoln just proves how truly out of touch you are with reality. That was a good one Hahaha

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Sir , do not insult me , I don't insult you . Yes , maybe he prematurely cancel that show to soon , and he is the first to tell you that . There have many cases over the years where shows have been cancelled to early for fans sake or a promoter not wishing to take a loss .Bob Miller, is yes a friend of mine but that is not why I make these statements . I will not get into a argument of sorts , because sir there is much you don't know in reference to various shows or promoters . Regardless of what you think he has done more for  racing then you know , now Fred Rahmer and his wife appear to taking  over helm from Bob as upcoming area promoters , as Bob may cut back on his shows .

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