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Larsonfan: I have a standing offer for you...show up for the Lincoln NSL Race, meet me at the East Gate 1 hour prior to the start of heats and I will pay your way in...you don't even have to get down on all fours and bark like a dog as was my offer for other posse hating miscreants...

ONE CONDITION: you have to SIT WITH US in the Luxurious Area 51 Reserved Section of Turn 1 - we will have a spot "pre-warmed" for you...there is nothing more enjoyable than watching a Lincoln Rookie Experience for the Area 51 Regulars.

this is the least I can do for a person who roots for a driver who couldn't make it thru turn 3 at the Grove on the warm up lap...nothing beats doing the "least" for people who can't avoid making a spectacle of themselves.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Did you see that there's a non points race on their schedule that is in Pa? Hence the reason it came up in this thread. It's one thing to be an asshole but its another thing to be a stupid asshole. Go ahead and call Pennsylvania tracks dumps and hate on everyone and everything from Pa if that makes you feel better. Sure as hell makes me feel better to know that Pennsylvania isn't the only place with egotistical, argumentive idiots who do nothing but talk shit on everyone who doesn't have a Pa mailing address. It's obvious that California has at least one such person. I didn't say one damn word about Central Pa being great. In fact, I was highly critical of our top heavy purses that we have here because it discourages teams from other areas from traveling long distances to take a crack at our marquee events and as a fan who not only loves Pa sprint car racing but has great respect and admiration for drivers from all over the country, that pisses me off. How is that implying that Pa is great? You know what's funny, now that you brought it up, you may just see some people talk about how great Pa is now. If you'd kept your hands in your pocket, you wouldn't have seen such comments. Funny how that works huh? 

Even though Sun Prarie was packed, the racing was not the best and yes, I was at 2 IRA shows there, the last one being the NSL show. Would be nice to see bigger shows in WI at different tracks instead of the same 2 or 3, but that will not likely happen. For the Angel Park homers, there are still holes in the NSL schedule for an NSL gig there... sigh.

Big Daddy E

Will Knoxville still call it a regular racing season with all the NSL races there in 2016 ?????????.    Do they need a promoter anymore?????    I hate the off season....   Just wondering and pondering .........lol

Well well & a holy hell. Remember last year when I commented on Todd saying that he wouldn't schedule against any major 410 event and I had issue with him scheduling against the renewed 3 day National Open at Williamsgrove, Pa.? I was told that the NSL was a western organization that was too far away to affect that event. Well now the NSL goes east to a track not 40 miles away from the Grove!! Come on guys & girls, my argument is even better this year. If people say they are in the racing business for the betterment of 410 racing, then why don't they want to support this major 410 event, by allowing all the 410 stars & major team players to have the open date option of running this show? The people/promotors at Williamsgrove have stepped up with more days & money to take this show to another level & a big player like the NSL won't support it. I travel pretty far to see races in Pa. and the times I have been to Williamsgrove I have seen good events and decent car counts. In order for the Open to move on to a very successful 3 day event for the fans ( the people who contribute highly to the bottom line) & for the racers it will need the support of WOO, Allstars, NSL, USAC and every major 410 division in the US. My opinion and I'm sticking to it.

                                     Happy Holidays

"You will never know it was your "Day" until it's over"

What tracks in Wisconsin would make the "best" racing in you opinion? I would like to see some other tracks get a chance also but a bigger show? Not sure what you are looking for there.

Calm down....Lincoln race is on a different date, doesn't conflict with National Open. It might actually bring out some of the MIdwest teams to compete at the Grove. Win/win situation!

Does Williams Grove run points races during the Kings Royal, Knoxville Nationals, and other major events? I thought so. 

What Tod says still holds true. Isn't going East to support the Classic a good thing?  If Tod is scheduling a race in PA for the NSL, I would bet it's because he is trying to open some doors (and eyes) and looking to the future. As for your comment about the Grove "stepping up", it's about damn time! The Grove sure doesn't do much to help out any other tracks or series. All they want to do is fill their own stands and pockets. They won't even suspend points for the week of the Nationals so their drivers can leave without losing points. I especially liked your last line:  "In order for the Open to move on to a very successful 3 day event.......(blah blah blah).........".  BS!.........quit complaining and expecting others to help with your success, and send your drivers West a few times!

To do list

1. Fix the sink

2. Drain the pool

3. Send Pa drivers west a few times

Oh god I shouldn't say this but....

Pennsylvania doesn't need the NSL, but apparently the NSL believes it could benefit from being a part of Kasey Kahnes race that happens to be inPa. That is not meant to be arrogant, Im speaking from a business point of view. Pa racing has existed for decades without a Midwestern series help, but a mid western series whos owner happens to sponsor a few top notch sprint teams and wants to compete at Kasey Kahnes Premier event that happens to be in Pa, may inadvertently need Pa. If Kasey had this race in New York, Todd would have it on the schedule, so it has nothing at all to do with Pennsylvania. you claim "Todd is looking to the future" if your suggesting that the NSL is scheduling this race to test the waters for when they take over and go national, I would suggest slowing down a bit. Todd made sure both of his cars could be at the Dirt Classic in 2015, and this year he figured if his cars are gonna be there why not put the race on the NSL schedule as a non points race in hopes that maybe a few more teams would choose to travel east to support the race. I would imagine it might be the only night of the year when he will get to see Gravel, Blaney, and Lasoski all at the same track competing with each other, I think he deserves that for all he does for this crazy sport. Should be a great night of racing.

 I would like to see NSL at plymouth or a ASCS race there. great track! great facility!

As usual, dead on. I'm sure someone will be dense enough to argue with you though lol.

Before we get ahead of ourselves, lets remember that Pennsylvania racing is currently self sustaining and has proven it can support the current racing programs.

The NSL/Midwest including Badlands, is currently supported by 2 wealthy individuals who, as of now, are subsidizing this program, and Knoxville who can support this but only because of the Knoxville Nationals.   Let's see how long this lasts

Wow Ford 97 , I usually agree with your smart ass comments and get a good chuckle from them, but how in the hell could a series that's a thousand miles away help car counts, purse amounts, and full time drivers and high profile owners get in the game in Pa. I never said Pa racing was healthy and perfect, I simply said Pa 410 racing has survived without the NSL and would continue even if the NSL was gone tomorrow. Perhaps Pa needs somthing LIKE the NSL, but they sure as hell don't need the NSL. Cmon FORD97 don't let your dislike of Pa fans cloud your reading comprehension  like Larsonfan. 

A couple of you are to quick to assume what and why....and we all know what assume does! Like I posted earlier....how can the NSL making some presence in PA be a bad thing. It's not Tod making an early attempt to "take over anything". I do know he has open communications with Smoke about future joint special shows, which leads me to believe that he has good communications with Kasey. Usually trying to work anything out with a track owner is rather difficult because some tend to be independant SOB's. So to get things done, yeh, a few rather wealthy guys that can attract and provide sponsorship, and pay some bills along the way with their own money are looking for ways to make sprint car racing stronger. They benefit, drivers benefit and fans benefit. The three ingredients needed to grow the sport. This is only the second year for the NSL, and the second year for Tony owning the All Stars. I suggest we sit back and let those with the ability and money to get things done do their thing before any ctiticism or praise. I hope in the end it's praise!

Yes they do and I have always been and I always will be 100% against it. It's complete bullshit that they penalize the top teams for growing a set of balls and getting off the porch to race against the best sprint car drivers from all over the world, at sprint car racing's most prestigious and financially lucrative event. The thing that really burns my ass is, the next weekend after the Nationals, Bruce has no issue with bragging about Hodnett or whoever else running sell at Knoxville the previous week. I don't have a problem whatsoever with them having a race that weekend as long as it isn't a points weekend. There's a lot of guys who can't afford to go to Knoxville not to mention some veteran guys who have been there and done that and just like to race at home for fun. For those various, reasons, there's a lot of cars sitting in Central PA on that weekend so why not give them some races? Those races however, should be lined up by a draw, time trials, passing points or whatever format but they shouldn't be points races. There's no good reason why any of our drivers should lose points for going out there and doing us all proud. 

No shit, but initially I said Pa didn't need the NSL, not something LIKE the NSL, so don't bust on my education. The fact that I said Pa didnt need the NSL erked you so much that you changed it in your mind to Pa doesn't need something LIKE the NSL, then you made your first post busting my balls like I was saying Pa is healthy Pa is great Pa has lots of high profile owners but most of all Pa doesn't need a series LIKE the NSL. Only problem is I never said any of that jackass, you did!

But to respond to your misguided point, I'm not sure a regional series would be possible given the proximity of the tracks.   Posse land is actually a fairly small portion of Pa. as I assume you already know. We already have the Allstars which is a predominatly a Pa Oh regional series, so I guess I'm wondering what cars would would compete in this new NE Sprints series, and what tracks would they compete at? 

I agree 100%. That was the point I was trying to make. They definitely should run their weekly races for those who can't or don't want to make the trip, but it would be nice if they made them a non points race, so the ones that do want to make the trip don't get penalized for doing so.