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Madsen running "true Outlaw" schedule in 2016?

What are people hearing?

I would get sick of running against Schatz too. Good idea IMO

haven't heard anything, but I would imagine that their sponsor and team owners will ultimately make that decision.

If the sponsors want them on the Outlaw Tour, they will probably be there.  If the sponsor is only worried about specific high profile events (King's Royal, National Open, World Finals, Knoxville Nationals) and doesn't care about the rest of the schedule, they will probably choose to run where they can make the most $$.  Makes a lot of sense.

If it costs $5-7000 per night to follow the Outlaw Tour as Dan Motter has suggested (if you already own all the equipment), it really makes sense to pick and choose the schedule.

I would think it is about impossible for any team to break even with Donny S. winning so much.  If he does not win he is in the top 3.  This is a case where  it is not good for WOO that Donny wins so much.  Sponsor money is real tight for all teams and it makes it tough  if you do not win your share.

Wait a minute....

All that hard work that those teams put in and the money they spend and the don't deserve to be in the top three because they have to share the purse?  What?  Our racing industry is supposed to be based on socialism?  Make it fair for everyone? What?  I guess I should get paid the same as my boss...

Yes, sponsor money is tight.  But if you are running the tour you have enough to play with the big boys.  

The other simple solution...run better and beat those guys.    

Same reason Dale Blaney stays on the All Star Circuit. Wins 20 races a year and makes plenty of $$$$$

Not sure how the hell you came up with "share the purse"....that wasn't stated or implied in his post....or how the hell you brought up socialism. It all boils down to what sponsors are willing to spend. In nearly all professional sports, those who make the rules have established limits on the amount of money that can be invested in a team...salary caps is one example. Without some sort of limit, those with too much disposable money simply run everybody else in to the dirt. That is what is happening with the WoO series right now. The WoO won't survive under the current leadership and the spend as much as you can attitude. More and more teams will fold and race elsewhere because other series are more affordable to run and will provide a suitable advertising return on the dollar spent. Kinser, Swindell, Blaney, etc.... tried to run a series with five cars, the USA and it flopped. When the WoO are down to five or six cars....bye bye WoO! For all intents and purposes, that is about the number of competeive cars on the tour at this time. Not drivers...cars....there is a difference.

Can you not read, or just can't comprehend written text? Your response to linbob's post is a prime example of one of the reasons that the world is as screwed up as it is. A stupid, knee-jerk reaction to what you THOUGHT you read, or are brainwashed to automatically assume that's what he meant. You, and A LOT of others need quit taking out of context what someone says, writes, or does, and take it for what they actually did say, write, or do. Not make it into what ever fits your agenda. 

So he wasn't talking about if Bernie gets elected they won't become 7 cylinders. Well I'll be damned !!!!

It has nothing whatsoever to do with socialism. Its about keeping free enterprise racing teams from going broke, keeping enough teams afloat to make the races interesting, & maintaining a level of competition that will inspire fans to spend their $$

I guess it's a good thing these message boards weren't around back around 1987 or so.  Steve Kinser simply dominated the entire WoO for more than a couple years.  Steve had huge corporate sponsorship from Coors Lite, Valvoline and Quaker State over that time while many of the other regular teams had more reagional sponsorship yet they survived.  Heck, the series even grew during that time.  Steve had not only a money advantage (due to corporate sponsors), he also had a huge horsepower advantage.  Back then there were tire "deals" and Steve was getting all his stuff free.   Steve also had the best mechanic (Karl) in his corner, not to mention they had "open" red flags about 99% of the time.  This gave Karl the opportunity to tune on the car during the course of the race.  This also eliminated fuel stops.  Heck, back then you could change a tire during an open red and not lose your spot.  Jump ahead to 2016.  Now we have somewhere between 3-6 power teams with huge money and you say we are in trouble?  Please tell me what is different between now and back when Steve was kicking everyone's ass?  Racing is a rich man's sport.  Always has been, always will be.

Yeh- what stroker said - no message boards but lots of "Anybody but Kinser" tee shirts worn by fans lined-up to watch him likely win. There were years where Steve Kinser's win total would put Donnie Schatz's in a distant second place.  

The doomers and gloomers need to chill-out. In general and relative terms, this sport really hasn't changed that much in the darn near 35 years I've been a fan - 'in general and relative terms' being the operative statement here. Ups and downs - yes. Domination by one driver/team - likely more years than not. And racing at any level has been a "rich man's sport". But, again in relative terms, just what sport isn't a "rich man's sport": golf costs a lot, kids club sports cost a lot, season tickets cost a lot - hell, one game cost a lot.

Should Kerry Madsen choose a "true outlaw schedule" he would join a long list of others who have done the same over the years. Some with lots of success, some with some success, some with little success.

My concern is the lack of tee shirt wearers lining up to watch.

Your local weekly track might not have the best of everything, but you should be dam happy they are still running weekly

I hope you don't actually think that. Pittman was on the verge of being a title contender when his deal with the 21 ended. Coming to PA was nothing more than a good financial decisions at the time. He could race here full time, make a good living, stay sharp racing against good competiton and keep his family fed until he got the right offer. It was a very smart thing for him to do as opposed to bouncing around in the penalty box rides on the WoO tour and decreasing the value of his stock. I'm sure he learned some useful things racing here but he definitely didn't need to enroll in "Posse U". In fact, I think it would do some of the Posse guys some good to do a few years at Outlaw U so that they could be a little more competitive when they leave the porch. Just ask Logan Schuchart and Jacob Allen about the lessons they've learned out there. 

So Madsen will no longer be eligible for the free pass to the feature of$50,000 to win shows for those in the D-main?