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http://www.dirtcarump.com/2015/09/25/dirtcar-racing-introduces-pro-sprint-division-with-chevrolet-performance-engine-to-create-new-entry-level-winged-sprint-car-class/

Isn't this what the 305 division was created for?  All I see this doing is creating another class and further dividing the pool.  

And the tracks now that run Crate Motors use the 604 Aluminum Headed motors.

It maybe cost affective ? anything new or to cut costs maybe good . The WoO doesn't care about cutting costs now because they get the crowds thanks to the fans that  love the speed of the winged cars . Yes, once in awhile we see a good winged race . My guess is that the WoO may lose some more cars to NSL OR ALL STARS next year . Also racing maybe good if more balanced or more affordable .

You realize that dirtcar is the WoO or were you trying to make a point that had nothing to with the initial post.

If you only see a good winged race once in a while I feel bad for you. I see good winged 410 races every week where I live.

This changes everything. A spec sprint car class with power based on a Chevy engine.  What will we think of next?

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

This is the wrong direction this sport needs to take. We already have an entry level sprint division. The problem is not the cost of the cars and motors!!!!!!!! The problem is what they race for, the purses have not even kept up with the price of inflation. The promoters need to promote. Only thing another new class is going to do is lower car counts again in other classes, just as the did with the 305 and 360 cars. I cant belive that promoters are willing to cut their own throtes again like they did in the past. As far as I'm concerned the promoters are causing thier own problems with car counts. It's time to raise the purses period......................................

      Let me loan you my crystal ball.  About 5 years ago, Husets Speedway in South Dakota tried this.  Only difference was that they used smaller wings.  It didn't work.  Here's what happened- The spec/crate/whatever motors were all the same.  The RPM limiters meant that every race was a flat-foot parade.  You could usually list the top 5 finishers in order as they came out of the #2 turn on the first lap.  The rest of the laps were generally less exciting.

    In the grand tradition of promoters, the Husets management paid something like $200 to win.  They were economy, entry level, limited sprints-right?  Why pay more?  Over a 2 year period, they had maybe 10-11 cars compete in the class, but never more than 6 at a time.  Every winner said what a great idea the class was, and imagined it would be awesome once the class grew.  It didn't grow, and Husets dropped the class after 2 years.

      An issue I see is spelled out right there in black and white is suggesting they will look just like WoO cars, including the big wings.  The inference is, that they'll look the same, but they'll be a bunch cheaper, and a bunch slower.  The bunch slower aspect is relative.  You wouldn't notice if all 24 cars in the feature were going slower than a WoO feature.  You will notice it when there are only 6 cars, and their RPM limiters won't allow anybody to pass.  Husets is smaller than 3/8 mile.  I can't imagine the thrill of seeing this type of cars on a half mile track.

     Everyone keeps trying to reinvent the wheel, using the same parts, hoping to do it cheaper.  Has anyone succeeded yet doing that to sprint cars? 360? 358? 305?  In the late 70's, when Late Model racing was evaporating, and local stock car racing in general was dwindleing, Keith Knaack invented the IMCA modified.  He thought outside the box.  Look at Late Model, stock car, and modified racing today.  It survives.  It flourishes.

     

OK, I'll take a stab at it

My theory, because everyone has said why does their need to be another entry level class and their right. Because Dirtcar/UMP doesn't have their hand in the cookie jar of those classes. They don't make anything off of the racesaver or 305 or 360 classes and likely won't because they are doing their thing and doing alright. So what do you do to get your piece of the pie? You come up with your own class so things are different enough you garuntee these guys come to your races and spend their money. On top of which I'm going to take a wild guess that they are going to be getting a kick back on every dirtcar legal/sealed crate motor. 

In Mod racing you have Wissota, IMCA, UMP, USRA and Nascar sanctions in areas all over the country and they all fight with each other over territory all the time. Right now in our area Wissota was dominate but now IMCA is slowly picking tracks off. The thing is it wouldn't really matter to the racers but the car setup rules for each sanction are just a bit different and you need different tires for each. Its a real mess to be truthful because some of the local guys run with open arms to the other sanction and some say no way, I'll just travel more and stay Wissota. The one correlation I see is the guys who run over to the other sanction are primarily the guys who aren't the front runners and the reason I think that is is because they see it as a new chance for them to maybe get those wins they've been chasing and not have to deal with the heavy hitters that they haven't been able to get by in the past, the problem is that the new sanction has its heavy hitters too and then they just come in and beat that guy so before long he realizes that wasn't the answer to him winning either but now he's all converted over to the other sanction so he might as well just stay there. Then you always have the guy with money who just puts together another car for that sanction, is that really whats best for the sport either, make it so you need 3 different or even 2 different setup cars in the shop so you can run this track and then go to another with the other sanction car?

Sanctioning bodies are neseccary, I know, but they are also the root of alot of the pains in the sport as well, primarily because no matter what they tell you they are there to make money for themselves and they have their hand in each persons pocket as they come along, from the racer to the track to the people who sell parts and everything else. As you get more sanctioning bodies you get more problems. This crate sprint car is just another example of one sanctioning body trying to do something different from the others so they can be the one to make the money off of it.

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I watched them hot lap the crate sprint car at plymouth speedway and it was like watching paint dry...lol.... nobody wants to see that.. Larry Kemps pipe dream..... Dont fall for it people.......

Funny how so many keep trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to reducing costs in sprint car racing, and the answers keep coming up as "hey....let's try something new". For crying out loud the answer is simple. Turn back the clock on these damn engines and cut back the HP. HP cost $$$ plain and simple. And it's the imbalance of $$$ among teams that leads to a few dominating. Make less HP and give the teams back the ability to make a lot of changes to set up and we will have better racing. The WoO allow three compounds to choose from for the right rear...what a joke when they allow teams to put as much as $50-60K in an engine. The guys with the $$$ love the rules packages, because their $$$ allow them to overcome the rules.