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I also would love to hear how your gonna pull  pans and check cranks on 50 cars PRE-race...

If the registration card thing works right and with the engine builder admitting to it in some way shape or form, they (IMCA) already have to know who these drivers are, if you add 1 + 1 you get 2! 

Eagle should be able to get this info from IMCA, and if I were them j wouldn't allow the cheater motors to race. They have a great thing going here and would love for it to stay that way. If IMCA doesn't want to save the integrity of this class than Eagle has the chance to do the right thing.

how many of these motors are going to take point money at the end of the year from the honest drivers aswell? Points should be taken and cars should be parked till there fixed. Engine builder should be not allowed to build racesaver engines anymore. This is a vital point in the racesaver history wich will have ramifications for years to come, they can be good ramifications or they can be bad. The powers to be need to set an example now, or watch one of the fastest growing class ever, start to slow or worse some day.

A Realist

forest L will come to the rescue and make this an "economy" traveling class with big money and real cheating. French Grimes had a vision but I do not think it was the 30,000 305 racesaver engine tht is offered by one shop on the internet. I don't even think it was the 12,500 motors offered by several shops. Now light weight rear ends, drive lines and u joints next will be lightened rear wheels and lighter tires. Look where ASCS has got themselves the only dif is 50 cu and they are just as hard or harder due to light wt engine parts and high engine rpm.   We race in cent cal winged 360 I think there are about 50-60 360's and 25-30 410's from Tulare to Ore border (325MIles). we have lots of "specsprints non wing 2 barrel non wing ( allways the best show I love seeing a class dominated by guys on SSI) we do not need to lose 10-15 teams to the 305 class I cannot believe someone will come to the races and say OH son lets go home and build you a 305, we are just going to dilute our 360 class

I do not,  see the big savings every part needs to be designed for the lower HP motor long term the guys that win this class will spend $$$$$ and time building the lightest engine to rear tire rotating system and highest hp motor. You still wreak these cars wings are same price, beer pizza travel. We have 8-9 in Calif, two tracks.  

Spoken like a true announcer. Yes, they do run a few big shows, but Eagle has gone from weekly sprint car racing to weakly sprint car racing. The trend is not a good one over the past 20 years.  

Joe Dirt 2008 must be a lawyer.  They get most of the money in a class action lawsuit.  Pretty clever pretending to be a just an interested party that just happens to know just about everything.

I'm not a lawyer, but it don't take one to see that if IMCA truley gives this large of a number of cars a free pass that are cheating. Than yes everyone that followed the rules and got beat, had money taken, points money taken, have a good case against IMCA and race saver in a lawsuit or a class action suit. If all this cheating is fact

Truth:   Yes I'm fortunate enough to  SEE the "weakly" (NOT)...... sprint racing EVERY WEEK....ask Mike Boston, Jason Martin,Trevor Grossenbacher, Chapman, Danley, or ANY of the weekly competitors just how tough it is to win in this "weak" class (well Jason Martin seems to have been doing a pretty good job) ....but you're entitled to your opinion......believe me, I love the 360's and 410's my business and I do, and have done alot to support them over the years, and am also fortunate enough to call their events on a regular basis in our area,  but.....downhill for 20 years?......I'm sure the Beechams, Cormack, and ALOT of tough regular Nebraska drivers would disagree on just how bad the competition and racing is there.......I also enjoy seeing 30-31 cars weekly, running up next to a track record (which is only .9 off the hallowed 360 times),   rather than 15-16 cars the way it USED to be every August.......and I'd also rather see 100 cars traveling in for a special event rather than 25 to 30, of which realistically, only 5 or 6 have a shot at winning.......the problem is not with Eagle Raceway, its deeper than that......and the fast guys and good drivers are STILL going to win, they're just doing so more affordably................SC

Well said voice, the 305's have proven to be a VERY competitive class at Eagle,  the names you mentioned are also drivers who still or have driven 360's competitely throug out the midwest.  I agree with you on the diminishing car counts of past years, when you only have 15 or so cars with 5 being competitive, that is not what I call fun to watch racing.  We get competitve heat races, competitive "B" features with local big name flare that have to qualify for the main event because of how tough the competition is.  I think at the end of the day most people don't like change, when they see that change is working they don't necassarily like to jump on board. This class is not going away and in fact will continue to grow, Eagle's weekly car count and the Nationals are an example of that.  One last thing, you forgot to mention Doug Lovegrove and Clint Benson in your driver examples, Benson won last years IMCA point Championship having won 13 times and defeated most of the names throughout last year, this year he has just had bad racing luck.  Lovegrove is an ex 360 and 410 driver who just won Eagle's 305 sprint championship which was well earned and deserved.  I've said enough.

Thanks Husker......didn't mean to slight Clint or Doug in the least.........just trying to fit a Hosehead response into an already "crazy busy" day at the shop and then get back to work....ready to head south in about an hour............SC

put starters on them and dyno em at the track, set a reasonable HP range and DQ the ones who make too much.

Wont work, you could slow the timing way down and take alot of power away, as well as changing pills and other things that can be changed and put back quickly.A two piece oil pan, where the whole bottom end could be looked at would be good as well as compression checks.

Ya, sure every track will have a dyno.  If you want to kill a class of sprintcars put a starter on them.  USAC tried it with midgets and would have lost half the cars had they not changed minds.  Other tracks will say screw that idea and come race with us and it cost about $2,000 to put a starter on a sprint car.  Racesavor is doing ok, just give them a chance to deal with things as they come up.

You are exactly right. Eagle has done a hell of a job as a track and business. i loved the 360 s to but they are too $$$$$$ to run weekly. Well said. It's an IMCA problem 

Yup, every track is going to buy a dyno just to dyno motors in a class that pays about 500 to win. That would close a lot of dirt tracks!