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jdfast
May 08, 2015 at 04:13:32 PM
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Does anyone have concerns with so many cars, that it could drastically affect qualifying, and I think we (fans, teams, drivers) would hate to see someone like Damion, Cory, Spencer, etc running the C main because of the Pea Pick for qualifying

I'm sure Jim will have the track in tip top shape.   But I've seen Ventura and many race tracks go through a huge change in qualifying, where it was not fair if you got an early or late draw.  The trophy cup with 80 plus entries has addressed this in recent years, and their solution was rather simple.   (someone explained to me that qualifying is the worst thing for a track, as 57 cars will all run on the same realestate, where as hot laps and racing, drivers move all around the track.

The kiss (keep it simple stupid) method, split the cars into two groups, the first group is qualifying for heats 1 and 2, and 2nd group for heats 3 and 4.

 

If I had it my way, and a bit more complicated, my favorite format is the chilli bowl or the ascs wingless sprint midwest tour which I saw at Lakeside one year.

Instead of wearing out the track (especially in the midwest heat), cars would run hot laps at 6 or even 5:30.  Than all cars could run heat races, let say 6 of them, pea pick.   Give passing points, etc.   Than run qualifying heats with the top 6 inverted in the next set of qualifying  heats, and set the mains.   This way, the best driver and team shines well, where as with the typical USAC format, if you don't qualify well (typically top 6 or 8, you set yourself up for a tough night (if you want to win).   The chilli bowl seems to be a hit for the everybody involved, maybe USAC and Ventura could make their own event unique.

 

Could something be put to a vote at the drivers meeting:  a. keep the format  b.  Two sets of qualifying groups   or C my choice, run two sets of heats.

It was just a thought.  Been to too many big races, especially at Indiana Sprint week, where qualifying draw had too big an outcome in the winner, and even who made the heat races.

Who would of  ever thought too many cars could be a detriment.   The standard usac format is great for 20-30 cars, but with this many, I think there could be a simple solution.   I know die hards love qualifying, and I do too, but I would rather see guys racing than single cars run using up the track, and watching the grader go round and round.

No matter what, should be a great show, and wow that C main and b mains could be really interesting with some big names in it.   Maybe this format is better for the low buck teams, if they get the right draw, they could get a top 6 starting spot in the heats, and get a ticket into the main.   I hope USAC/Ventura will let the race teams/drivers have a voice, and if not this year, maybe next

See ya guys at the races, is it Saturday yet?

 




Buzzard-
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May 08, 2015 at 04:31:30 PM
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With all due respect and no hostility at all! As you said, this will be a badass event. 

NO! That's racing. Fair is for tiddlywinks and handgrenades. (It doesn't matter what format you use, half will hate it and half will want it changed!)

Have we all become so accustomed to these crazy race formats we have forgotten tradition?

We ran this EXACT format for YEARS with fifty plus cars. Now any time we get more than forty show up everyone loses their minds and tries to make some sort of special case format. Back in SCRA days, we didn't wring our hands and say, "Oh my, there is fifty cars, maybe some fast cars will miss the heats." NO. We said, "BADass, you better be on your A game right from lap one of qualifying to get through this sucker.

Are we going to abolish qualifying across the board because it has the potential to junk our favorite racer if they get it wrong?

If EVER there is a time for qualifying it is when we have an abundance of cars and don't risk a feature with less than a full field if we lose a couple of rigs to mechanical failure or crashes in qualifying.

With the CRA format, there will be plenty of downtime for Jim to fix the track and for the Circus to blast music and shirts every where... 

 

 



mmsprint7
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May 08, 2015 at 05:20:54 PM
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No differnt from running sprint week in July. its just part of it. good luck to all the racers it should be a good event.

 

 

 

 




dirtface
May 08, 2015 at 08:19:01 PM
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Posted By: mmsprint7 on May 08 2015 at 05:20:54 PM

No differnt from running sprint week in July. its just part of it. good luck to all the racers it should be a good event.

 

 

 

 



There is a difference. The weather says no rain .????


We need more sprint car racing at our home track.

fivectydirttracker
May 08, 2015 at 08:19:37 PM
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Really, to many cars now. Oh boy.


Peace, Out.

from: central coast of cali.

bentaxle
May 08, 2015 at 09:51:34 PM
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50 plus cars is just a good reason to run a " C " main and a great 20 car plus " B " main ..  some people remember when you had to put some real work in to make tha " A " main .....


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jdfast
May 08, 2015 at 10:55:41 PM
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If its a standard USAC format, 4 heats, with 8 cars, equals 32 cars in heat races with 6 car inverts.  The rest go to C and D.  THATS ALOT OF CARS that do not get to run heat races  frown

  I know CRA guys don't care what the wing cars do at Tulare, but they learned qualifying 80 cars the same night was not a good idea without an adjustment. for how the track changes in qual.  Tulare quickly found out with large number of cars doing single lap qualifying, some drivers chance for a good night ended with a bad pea pick.

 

If you guys would rather see a potential 114 laps of single lap qualfiying, versus 50 laps of racing with all the drives, there's nothing I can say to open your mind.

No matter how we get the field for the 40 lapper, it will be a great race on a great prepped track.  

If cra wants to stick with tradition, how about NO PROVISIONALS, 8 car inverts for heats and mains, and a trophy dash.   This new format CRA they have now, makes me go to fewer cra races with too much emphasis on qual. 

 

PS when does single car qualifying start?   I'll be there watching it too

(Never thought in a million years splitting the field in two, so the track was less unfair, was such a controversial thing to dicuss, but the forum has spoken loud and clear)

 

See ya at the track

 



bentaxle
May 09, 2015 at 12:25:11 AM
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Posted By: jdfast on May 08 2015 at 10:55:41 PM

If its a standard USAC format, 4 heats, with 8 cars, equals 32 cars in heat races with 6 car inverts.  The rest go to C and D.  THATS ALOT OF CARS that do not get to run heat races  frown

  I know CRA guys don't care what the wing cars do at Tulare, but they learned qualifying 80 cars the same night was not a good idea without an adjustment. for how the track changes in qual.  Tulare quickly found out with large number of cars doing single lap qualifying, some drivers chance for a good night ended with a bad pea pick.

 

If you guys would rather see a potential 114 laps of single lap qualfiying, versus 50 laps of racing with all the drives, there's nothing I can say to open your mind.

No matter how we get the field for the 40 lapper, it will be a great race on a great prepped track.  

If cra wants to stick with tradition, how about NO PROVISIONALS, 8 car inverts for heats and mains, and a trophy dash.   This new format CRA they have now, makes me go to fewer cra races with too much emphasis on qual. 

 

PS when does single car qualifying start?   I'll be there watching it too

(Never thought in a million years splitting the field in two, so the track was less unfair, was such a controversial thing to dicuss, but the forum has spoken loud and clear)

 

See ya at the track

 



you need to go run your own races , your way ... if this was such a huge concern , why wernt you working with nailor and montgomery two weeks ago ? we all know none of has any control over pill draw for qualifying , and only the promoter might have some control of what the track does . so its the crews job to give the driver a car when its his or her turn to qualify and race . this is nothing new . and if the first 3 or 4 cars qualifying  get whats left of a drying track , well it wont be the first time . it the track was greasy for the first 10 cars , well it wasnt the first time for that either  . all i know is a few people put a lot into this race and i promise  it wont  be anything less than spectacular when the green drops for the  " A " main ... 


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surfnsprint
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May 09, 2015 at 07:50:23 AM
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Qualifying should start about 4:00, racing starts at 5:30.

I recommend people get there early for a good seat or a seat at all....

Bring a warm jacket.

Have fun.




Roy Bleckert
May 09, 2015 at 10:15:07 AM
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I would like to thank Mike , Naylor,USAC , Car Owners & Drivers & everyone one else who have put this event together, using some of the old school promotion , with probably the wave of the future in making BIG events as the model for the future , enjoy the racing !

 


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jdfast
May 09, 2015 at 10:58:06 AM
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Sry I brought up a concern I had for race teams that put alot of blood, sweat & tears, and large amounts of $ into their hobby.   To  be honest, i didn't give a rats ass about the fans, most don't understnad or care about formats, or even watch qualifying.  Being a past racer, I understand racing is not fair, but splitting the 57 cars into two groups, so 25 cars qualify on similiar track (not equal) track conditions

 

I did not think this would stir up a controversy, but maybe a conversation.  I can see clearly, I am in the minority.   I didn't come up with the ideas, they were just something I saw with other series and the teams seemed to like them better.

........................................

 

 Bring warm clothes (and than a blanket too).  It was friggin cold last week, even the hardcore ventura fans said it was cold,  but the sprint cars were good and the track racy (and no dust to speak of).

And I echo a big thanks to everyone who is making this event happen, alot of time and effort has been put into this race.  The car counts already reflects that, and I think the fans will turn out in big numbers.  Like Mike said, have fun, I know I will  Smile

 

Doug

 





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