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I very much appreciate what Tod is doing with the NSL.  But with that being said, is the purse big enough to keep all of these guys traveling around for only 3 grand to win.  I realize there is one race that pays 20k and another that pays 10k along with 4 that pay 3k but that leaves 23 other races that only pay the 3k.  As much hype as the NSL is getting, does everyone realize that this is nothing more than an average weekly track purse?  I hope that as the NSL progresses and keeps getting all these sponsors they find a way to up the purse to keep a full field of cars attending these shows.  It's not cheap to run these cars, keep tires on them and keep Diesel fuel in the trucks.  Also, I know Tod is a very successful business man so I would think he has this in the back of his mind also.  I really hope the NSL is bigger and better than we already think it will be.  Im just wondering what everyone else out there thinks of the purse?

The point fund is designed to reward the guys at the end of year. It's pretty substantial for the top 10 drivers. The purse is the basic Knoxvillle weekly purse and I think designed to be low so that tracks will take dates at a lower risk.

At this point, it's not designed to a WoO-lite tour, despite those on the board who equate Brown, Dude and McCarl to Schatz, Pittman and Sweet.

I think the key with the purse is it is not top heavy and pays throughout the whole field. I would prefer 3k to win and 400-500 start over 5k to win and 250 to start. Plus you must remember you only have to compete in 75% of the races to be point fund eligible. So many of the guys will not run all the shows but enough to stay in the hunt for the lucritive point fund. Plus being a member you get extra insurance and are eligible for nightly contengncy payouts.

Plus remember this is not a series to make a living off of it is a series to provide 28-30 410 races in the upper midwest and keep the guys racing 410's.

And how many 410 teams survive on just what they win from the purse? They get by with money from sponsors or from the car owners wallet more than pures money. 

Or they could pay $2500 to win and tow all over the country with illegal 40 grand 360s...

I think ASCS actually pays $4000 to win on regular weekend shows.  Sometimes $3000 on Fri if it's a 2 day show and also during the week.  A lot of NSL 410s will be the $40k or more variety too.  Can't argue with all over the country and illegal though.

+1

 Why would it? I remember 3 grand to win at a weekly shows decades ago.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

With the change in porting rules, those illegal motors are now legal. So, you have all-over-the-country which isn't a bad thing as I see it. A $40,000 engine that will run 20 nights is better than a $45,000 410 that will only go 8 nights. Plus, the 360s don't eat ring and pinions and other driveline parts nearly as fast.

Double,

Please tell what top of the line engine builder sells a new ASCS 360 for $40,000? And how many of the TOP 360 guys run their engines 20 nights at Knoxville? I know of 1.

FYI, we ran 1 of our Rider 410's 19 nights last year & another 16 nights & won the Husets Championship & 2nd in Knoxville points. Also, we just finished running with the WoO from Florida through CA. & Antioch was our 14th night on that engine. We are now sending it back.

A new Rider 410 identical to the one we set 3rd quick at the Knoxville Natls. is $50,000. I know for a fact that 2 of the best 360 engine builders in this area want well over $50,000 for an ASCS 360.

Always nice to hear from people who know what they're talking about.  Lol. 

410 racing is just an expensive hobby, nobody is gettin rich off of it.

Stag,  Where do you get the 75% rule?  This is what the Owner/Driver agreement states:

3. 2015 Point fund eligibility 2015 NSL Point fund pays out as follows… Miss (0) races = receives 100% point fund money Miss (1) race = receives 95% point fund money Miss (2) races = receives 90% point fund money Miss (3) races = receives 85% point fund money Miss (4) races = receives 80% point fund money Miss (5) races = receives 75% point fund money Miss (6) or more races / Not eligible for point fund money.

With 30 races currently scheduled, a team would need to race at 25 of those races (83.33%) to be eligible to receive 75% point fund money.  If they only race in 24 of those races (80%) they are not eligible fo rany point fund money.

I believe he was quoting the Knoxville rule. I think you need to race 75% of the shows to get point money at Knoxville.

Sorry I was 8.33% off. I knew you could miss 5 shows and that was close to 75%. I would look for the majority of teams to run just enough to stay in the point fund. Going to be interesting as the shows with the long hauls to see how many of the guys skip those shows. Still going to be a great year for the NSL.

Don't know if it's enough, but the overall purse is still better than 99% of the tracks across the US for "regular" racing and probably comes close to an All-Star purse (just not as top-heavy).

Is it a WoO purse?  Nope, but the teams have TONS LESS of travel to get to these races than the WoO do, so their operating expenses should be less.  Time will tell on how successful this endeavor will be, but if he was worried about losing $$$ on this, he never would have owned (2) WoO traveling teams in the past (he could probably keep the NSL afloat for 5 years on what 1 season budget on the WoO trail as a car owner is).

I know how old you are Kenny. That had to be before old as dirt decades ago.

We need more sprint car racing at our home track.

Let's not forget that the current NSL model is not self sufficeint.  Currently, the NSL does not charge a sanction fee.   Thus, all of the money to run the operation, pay the staff, and pay the bonus structure comes from the series sponsors and the series owner.  

I would be willing to bet that the series sponsors do not even pay for the operation and the staff.    I would be willing to bet that the series owner has to pay some of the operations costs and all of the point fund.

I realize that the series owner is doing this for fun and this is a hobby for him.   I also realize that he probably has the funding to do this as long as he wants.   However, I sometimes think that just because a lot of money is trading hands people assume that someone has to be making a lot of money.   With the NSL, I do not think that this is true.

I would hope there's a sanction fee considering GA tickets at 34 Raceway this week are $28. 

I would like to know the same thing about ticket prices??  I see Husets is charging 28 dollars also!  Then I look at Knoxville and the price is 15 bucks which is a normal Sat night entry fee.   I would think this first year the tracks would have ticket prices at a normal race night fee since it not costing them to have the series show up.  Maybe I'm missing something and don't know the whole story.  If that the case My Bad!