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Sequence of 5 stills taken from video that show Schatz and Stewart down the frontstretch.  First photo is about 1/3 of the way down the frontstretch, last photo is about 2/3 down the frontstretch just past temporary flagstand.  Photo's clearly show winner.

I admit, the very first picture in this sequence is still at somewhat of an angle as the cars come out of turn 4.  Hard to tell if Schatz or Stewart is leading at that point.  But of course it's still 70 yards or so from the finish line.  The next four photos as the cars approach, cross, and pass the temporary flagstand are all very good angles and clearly show Schatz car in front by a couple feet.

So enough with the transponders, enough with the conspiracies, enough with WoO protecting their boy, and enough of JG towing the company line.  Schatz won the race!

I think that the who the winner was has already been determined, the thing that's hard to figure out is what the transponders are doing with lap times and gaps. Everyone just wants to understand how this works and how to prevent future issues. I find it hard to believe people think there is a real conspiracy, when Shane himself said he got beat, and we have video and now pictures to support that. There needs to be a clear finish line at tracks so the racers know where they are racing to as well. Whether it's simply a pole or flag in the infield and a line on the wall opposite that or something along those lines.

The photos were touched up by the WOO to cover up this conspiracy that they favor the 15 apparently at Stockon and during the Midwest swing.... The conspiracy lives on Only kidding of course!

The timing line of course................is on the grassy knoll

Your conspiricy theory MUST start with that

"Just past the temporary flagstand on the infield, almost directly in line with finish line"

Almost?  And that's irrefutable to you?  That last picture you posted proves nothing.  Really the only thing that matters at this point is that it is business as usual in determining the outcome to the problems - officials have the final say.  They can't explain lap 29 or a .220 finish, no matter who actually won that race, and that is problematic. 

And the only thing that is clear is that California tracks offer up some great, close racing...............but it would also seem  that because of the close racing they need to rectify how they determine the finish of their races with finish lines different from flagstands and scoring loops with angles in them.

Just my 2 cents that isn't worth a penny to those who could change it.

The greatest knowledge is to know that you know nothing
at all.

but how do you know exactly where wire is under track?  On the broadcast they said wire position was were there was a pylon.  The pylon is just set on the ground by someone.  I for sure I do not think anyone did anything to make it a different winner.  If electonics says he won, he won unless a smarter person than I can explain how it could be different.

Is the rear end centered in the wheel well?
Is the rear end square to the chassis fixture?
Are the left side rods longer than the right side?
Why is the upper right rod link appear to be ahead of the upper left?

Answers are yes, yes, no, and it's not.  This is a picture taken less than an arms length off centerline of the rear end. 

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at all.

Should have said less than a front wings length. 

The greatest knowledge is to know that you know nothing
at all.

I found the mysterious orange cone and hidden timing line everyone seems so stumped by.  They weren't clear until I used a powerful computer software to digitally enhance the still.  I'm sure now everyone can agree Schatz car is clearly ahead.... right?

Was your powerful computer software able to digitally move the location of where the videographer was standing?

You forgot to put a hook in the hidden timing line.

Schatz won night 1 at Stockton.  That much is clear.  I know because they printed out the finishing order and the check.  No argument there.

When you're ready to admit that a video or picture taken askew of the finish line doesn't mean squat, come back and post.

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at all.

Does your powerful computer software have the ability to take screen shots?

Those would be better than a few angled pictures of an angled video.

3 and counting...  

Temporary flag stand????  Really????