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Wow you are a complete douche bag idiot!  If you dont own a 360 car you and anyone else should shut your f**cking mouth . People like you are the problem cant find positive only negative.  I say again you are a douche bag !

Since I do not follow the ASCS, can you name some positives, because I have only seen people talk bad about this series for the last two years.  Not trying to be as ignorant as you, just asking a question since i do not know much about them.  If what he said is true, than i agree.  I dont think its being negative, just an opinion and concern.

First off I side with lexi 21 . If you knew anything you would know that the aluminum block idea is a good one . The blocks would be cheaper than cast iron . I have personally seen the price tag on a new cast iron block with all the bells and whistles full lighting etc.and it is a whole lot more than a 410 block. Another thing that most dont realize is aluminum blocks can also be repaired unlike cast iron blocks . And for the last thing the aluminum block idea was brought to ascs by the competitos themselves.  So get your facts straight and actually know something about what you speak.  I can make these statements because I am a car owner of an ascs 360 , unlike most the people on this page who have never owned anything in racing or paid a singe bill on a sprint car.

What I don't get about the whole aluminum block thing if it is true is what is there to prevent A team from doing the lightening to a aluminum block?  They certainly do it to 410s now. Yeah you have a weight standard you have to meet, but I imagine most folks would rather add the weight back onto the car as ballast that they can move as needed to alter the handling of the car vs something fixed.  if there is a gain to be made somebody will exploit it and then everybody will end up spending the money to do it.  Its honestly quite simple. A motor should weigh xyz. Put that into the rules. That way there wouldn't be any of this monkey business with lightening blocks and such. 

First off ascs is not going to require that a racer hass to switch from cast to aluminum.  It will be an option and approved blocks only.  If you choose to run a aluminum block you must add weight.  Also a good ascs cast iron block costs a whole lot more than 3300 bucks . Yes a block can be bought for that but most aren't.  Add the roller cam bearing option, oh ya and have the lifter bores corrected and the options continue. 

I don't know much about ASCS engines, but I do know steel isn't the same thing as "cast iron", which you can break with a hammer....

As fans, I don't think we care that much about the rules and more about the quality of the series.  They seem to still have a solid driver roster with a couple of guys who have been successful nationally in Herrera and Swindell, plus younger guys like Ruetzel who are showing some real quality.

With Emmett having the healthy issues, the question is who will lead this series in the future?  If he decides to retire, what becomes of the series?

I don't follow the b league much, but I don't think it was ever truly a "national tour". Seems they were better running a bunch of regional sanctions.

Wasnt the a post on here last wk about them going to LS1 motor? Is there a diff in LS1 being aluminun Or will it be cast iron/steel? I have a feeling sum of the bigger names wont be running the "national" series after the first handfull of races

I'd still much rather see an ASCS race than a 305 race period. Yes 30 bucks as you say is a little steep but 4000 to win is a good chunk for a 360 race. Its a niche market and sometimes you have to pay a little extra to watch the big boys. I'm just lucky enough to be able to watch 410 racing in and around the state of Iowa weekly during the summer for decent prices. I think you need to move to Iowa

Remember when 360s were replacing 410s?  WoO/All-Stars/NSL vs ASCS.  360s are more fun to watch then 305s?  What do you think 410s are to 360s.  

Inventing one "limited" engine class after another has proven to be the most expensive $ per HP road map in sprint car racing.

you want a budget class...turn big engines less revs and save $

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Set a compession limit,  Get rid of the cubic inch limit and you'll have longer lasting, lower costing motors period.

The problem with CI limits is, A ton of money is spent every possible HP out of em.  Then the high compression destroys em.

Is it time to shut down stupidity that post nothing but negatives on this forum, is the greater question.  Joe, it sounds like you have all the answeres on how to run a series, so start one.  I think all will agree that ASCS has some present issues that need attention and maybe reorganization.  However, shutting down the National Tour? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, and for good reason. Other series have had serious issues to deal with, (WoO & Allstars) and have survived.  Recent cancelations like I-30 and Cocopah, indicate that something is amiss but doesn't constitute doom and gloom.  So, Joe, why agitate? Try offering something constructive and worthwhile. 

YES.

A Bad Day Of Sprint Car Racing Is 10 Times Better Than 
A Good Day At Work!

Finally, someone says something I can relate to!   I've been talking for the last several years about moving to Iowa during the summer.   I'm too much of a wuss to withstand a winter there though.   If  you get to attend Knoxville every week you are a very lucky guy.    Racing sucks down here in the Dallas area.    If ASCS didn't come to town I probably wouldn't go to two or three races a year, and those would be the ones I travel out of the state for.   I have always enjoyed the ASCS tour, both regional and national, when they come out to Devils Bowl.   I also know the series has some issues, but I hope to see it remain healthy.   I also do not like 305 sprints.      As far as paying $30 to see them on night two of the Spring Nationals at the Bowl, I really just don't think it's that big of a deal.    At $25 a night it would cost $50 to see a two nighter.   If another $5 is going to break me one way or another I probably shoulda stayed home anyway.   

I see a lot of speculation here from fans, and one reputable set of facts from and actual CAR OWNER. Sorry, but I believe the CAR OWNER, not Chicken Little. And the ASCS as a series? I shoot races from coast to coast, wing, nonwing, 305, 360 and 410. The best racing in the country right now is the ASCS. The fans support this from my seat as the crowds as consistantly good. You (Chicken Little) can slam the ASCS all you want for not being at I-30 or Cocopah, but the WoO no longer go to Texas Motor Speedway or Sedalia and you (Chicken Little) don't have anything to say about that. Instead of being destructive to this sport, try something constructive... 

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Damn Hawker, didn't intend to get your panties in a wad.  I thought that I was being constructive.

  Good read.  Very interesting observations and opinions

305's are not much fun to watch but the speed difference between a 360 and a 410 is a lot less noticeable. The track i regularly attend has 360's as the premier division on a weekly basis, the 410's come in about 4 to 5 times a year and the 360 racing is usually better and they are only about a second slower than the 410's. I am not saying 360 racing is better than 410 racing, but on the fastest half mile on the east coast 360's are better. When 24 cars are on the track my eyes do not notice any difference in speed between the 2 classes.  Seems folks on here have predicted the demise of the WoO the Allstars and now the ASCS.  Well the WoO and Allstars are probably the strongest they have been in years and based on that I think th ASCS will be just fine, I really hope Mark Smith is able to get a couple races scheduled for Selinsgrove Speedway this year, it would be awesome to see the national guys come in and compete against the only 360 class/track in Pennsylvania !!!