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In Scott's thread, he said PAS listens to the fans (and hopefully the teams too)

Mayby as a group of fans, teams, drivers, promoter, sanctioning body, we all can make the Oval Nationals the Premier Non WIng Sprint Car Event just like the Nationals are for the wing cars.

I guess as a fan, I just wanted lots of action with alot of inverts.   That's the trophy cup.   I guess, I would like to see something similiar to the Nationals, where you earn the front row by your performances from the all the events leading upto the A main on Saturday.

My Proposal, everyone qualifies on Thrusday/Friday, have 5 eight (8) car heats fully inverted, top 4 transfer and an 8 car invert for the mains those nights.   On Saturday, run heats based off of points from the two previous nights with 8 car inverts again, and than line the mains straight up by points.  I think this would reward the fans with lots of action each night, but at the same time, the car that start up front in Saturday's main would definetly earn it.   They would have qualify fast, yet transfer in the heat race, and run well in the mains each night.    There would be no gimmies, you have to run well each time you hit the traffic.

I hope others suggest more/better options.   Not to beat a dead horse, but I never enjoy when drivers are locked in and don't have to run heats, generally those cars are why I came to watch race.   Also, just having a C, B and A main on Saturday is not fun, and especially when they run split B mains, just dilutes the race.

Cheers - I hope the PAS comes up with something exciting so I have a reason to come all 3 nights.

(and just because the 410's run three nights, there's nothing written that the 360's couldn't run Wednesday, something like what the Gold Cup does)

jdfast, I like your proposal.  I though would like to see the Saturday night A Main invert the 1st 4 rows.  The points leader would start 8th, outside 4th row, and he has 40 laps to get to the front of the field.  I do not like to see the fast qualifier or fastest car of the night start pole position 1st row.  If you're the fastest, you have 40 laps to prove it.  That's my 2 cents.

I do too, but after watching MavTv and seeing Knoxville, I rethought it.

For a normal show they should invert 8.

BUT THIS IS THE PREMIER RACE, if I guy has the most points after two night with 8 car inverts, he deserves the right to win the most prestigious non wing race.   If we want what the fans want, attend the trophy cup.  That is a race for fans and charity.   The ovals can be for the fans on Thursday and Friday, but the A main should be for the baddest driver and team for the week.  

Formats will be argued forever, but I do not hear much support for USAC and CRA's current invert of 6 cars.  I think you see better racing in the heats and better for fast cars to have 8 car inverts in heats.   For the wing cars which most guys say there is little or no passing (especially in the heats WHICH I STRONGLY DISAGREE), there is plenty of passing at Knoxville on a big track with fully inverted heats.  I'm pretty sure guys like Damion, Ballou, Spencer, Darland can handle 8 car inverted heat races.

But thanks for your input.   Always willing to listen and learn something new.  (my fav format is something similiar to ASCS non wing tour had.  No qualifying (which saves the track/fans for the brutal heat in summer) and they run two sets of heats versus qualfiying.  I never realised this, but running qualifying is much more demanding on the track, because in qualifying, the cars are basically running on the same piece of real estate, where as in heats, the cars run all over.  Besides, I would rather watch racing than qualifying.   But for the ovals, qualifying should take place two nights.

Cheers

Go seahawks

239 Looks and only one suggestion.   Maybe Don did ask, and nobody replied  

Where' the passion from the non wing crowed?

cheers 

Make it, it's own mini-series. Run three complete shows. No special treatment, pre-qualification, seeding... whatever. Your luck and skill dictate where you finish the weekend.

Qualifying. C, Heats, B, A. All three nights. High point car from all three nights takes bonus 'Winner' portion of the purse.

FOUR Heats. 

Top eight cars in heats set by qualifying time. Inverted. Starting position nine and ten come from the C main.

I am sick to death of this five plus heat race shenanigans. Everyone always wants to blabber on about, back when my daddy's daddy did this well this was how it was done... so why on earth do we need more than four heat races? Eighty cars show up... four heats. Two hundred cars shows up. Four heats. Now we get thirty seven cars and we want to run five or six heats. 

since we're dreamin,how bout $100k to win run what ya brung (no wings)

ROB