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The National Open will now be a three day event.  October 1-3.

Where Pinky will charge you 35 35 40......more and likely. Need to make a package deal like Charlotte.

Your  right  Mr. Slink51 and if she is smart  , she will do that  . Advance sales , puts money in the bank for  Wms Grove and saves  fans  money . What  will the purse  be , anybody  know ? I guess around 100,000 maybe ? to winner ?

Thursday, October 1 will pay $10,000 to win
Friday, October 2 will pay $10,000 to win
Saturday, October 3 will pay $50,000 to win...

Split field? 

I sure hope not if the car counts don't pick up significantly.  That would be less than 30 cars each qualifying night.  So, is the NSL race for I-80 set in stone for that weekend as well?  If it is, then there is no way you are going to get more than 60 cars at Williams Grove, even with the extra night.  I like the idea of having an extra night, and have it be qualifying for Saturday, but it needs to be more like the qualifications for the big late model races then Knoxville, where everybody can run both prelim nights.   Will be interesting to see if NSL moves their show to a different weekend or goes head to head with the WoO.  If they run the same night, I am sure both races will still have good fields, but it would be an indication that the relations between NSL and the WRG could already start to be a bit antagonistic.

If whats happening with the Big Blocks in the north east is any indicatoin, WRG does not see any perceived competition as a good thing.

Everyone acts like there is some huge Midwest presence at the grove during open weekend. Last year, who but Lynton Jeffery and Rj Johnson went? 

Did I say that....no, but if they ever want to draw more than their normal 55-60 cars, the race would need to at least draw some of the top midwest teams ie. Lasoski and Brown etc. (btw big game was there last year and brown showed the year before).  The point was that they would need to increase car counts to make a split field weekend work out.

Also, even if the two groups don't poach many cars from each other, the fact that NSL is running a race on what is "supposed" to be one of the premier races of the year nationally could mean that there isn't much hope for them ever working together or co-existing.  We can argue about what Williams Grove would have to do to actually draw teams from other regions somewhere else (more money through the field would be a good start).  And I did say that both tracks would have good fields.  However, based on how WRG seems to work, they might see a race the same weekend as a big event that even has a few cars they might be able to lure to one of their races, as a shot across the bow.

Her greed for green will win over smarts....Take that to the bank. I can say if there isnt it will hurt the turnout. not everyone can shell out $110.00 bucks just to get in the gate. $110.00 for 3 nights $30.00 camping for the weekend. Food,Gas and whatever you spend just to get there. I hope I'm wrong< but 10,000 10,000 50,000. her prices will be jacked sky high. season reserved seats already went up $5.00 for the season and no signs of any upgrades to the facility since the Musco lights in 2008. 

This whole "working together" thing, if no one from the Midwest shows up, what incentive is there for the NSL to not run that weekend? And no Outlaw teams will be allowed to run any NSL shows most likely. 

The two races are 1,136 miles apart.

No one from the midwest cares about PA

You got that right. There's one reason this is now a 3 day show and that's money. Which I understand every promoter needs to make money but she has shown in the past that the only thing she gives a shit about is the WoO shows. She's turned the regular Friday programs into a mere shadow of what they once were and its mainly because she just doesn't care too much about those shows. Hence the reason why she looks for any reason (and most of them are beyond stupid) to cancel. The regular programs are just something she has to deal with between the big money WoO dates. I hope she offers a nice 3 day package or else there's no way in hell I'll be able to afford all 3 nights and I know I definitely won't be the only one. 

YOU ARE RIGHT  AS IS MR SLINK , I doubt she offers a  3 day package unless the WRG has a say in it . Friday nights are not the same ?

That is not the point I was making but nevermind.  The initial response was about a split field, which is a no go unless you can get more cars.   This is supposed to be one of the 2 other premier events (according to them, not me) in the country for 410's (with King's ROyal, Knoxville is in a category by itself) but they only draw the outlaws, the major Ohio guys, and some of the Posse.  Split field qualifying nights only works if they get more than that, but it is a long shot that that will ever happen, and definitely won't  happen if there is another big race, even if it is 1136 miles away.   This was not a criticism of there being another race.  Other teams have made the tow in the past, but not many, and there will be even less if there is a good paying show closer to home the same weekend. 

Also, the working together was big picture.  Quiring has noted that good local series will improve the Outlaws, which I think is true.  I don't think there is much chance of them ever co-sanctioning or anything like that, but there are other more subtle ways that not competing with each other is the equivalent of working together.  However, based on WRG's history, I doubt that will happen.   It probably burns their a$$s that they can't schedule a race against the Nats because they are not in control of that weekend.  If they thought that they could do it without their own drivers causing a mutiny, I bet they would.  The fact that there is an NSL race running the same weekend as one of their "premier" events may be enough to start souring the relationship, even if there is little direct effect on car or fan counts.

There will be more passing and action in one night at I-80 than there will be over three nights at the Grove. 

Also, that it is the NSL's Season Championship as well. So if anyone pulls the double like Wayne did this year, then that driver is taking more home that night over the winner at the Grove on Saturday. And that's not including any of the point fund money. 

There is not one NSL show that competes against the Outlaws in the Midwest either. I can't believe someone is actually complaining about this. 

BIG J

"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."

Where was the complaint?  I don't mind that the NSL championship is that weekend.  This was all begun as a response to someone who asked if Williams Grove was going to go with split field qualifiers.

It was also not about a pissing match over which event is going to be "better."  Never been to I-80, but I'm sure its a great racy track.  Have been to the Grove, and sometimes the racing is awesome, other times it has sucked the big one. 

This wasn't even about which track was paying more, or who could win more money.  It was big picture speculation as to the relationship going forward between WoO and NSL, not just in 2015, but long term.  I realize one is a national series and one is a regional one (albeit with a previously unheard of point fund).  But with the teams and tracks involved, they are not going to be able to completely ignore one another.  The question is whether the relationship will be one where they, for the most part don't bother each other, and in the end are mutually beneficial, or whether it becomes competitive and a little less amiable.  That was it, but go ahead and keep reading into what I posted things that I did not say.

I understood your point the first time you made it. Stop trying, because you couldnt have been clearer or less antagonistic the first 3 times you explained your point.  I agree with what you said, a 3 day show is usually needed when you have so many cars that you need an extra day to qualify all those cars, in the case of the National open it would seem they  want to have another prelim night to make extra cash. The only way they could get a big enough car count would be if cars from the midwest and even further decided to make the trip. Those cars will not make the trip if there is a good paying premier event closer to home like the NSL and i dont blame them i would stay home and race with the NSL also. Not knocking the NSL or anyone else, just saying the only way Williams Grove could possibly justify a third night for car count would be if they could actulally get the car count.

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Actually who cares if they only pull 50-60 cars. A main only starts 24 (28 max with provisionls). With the WoO, Posse,  western Pa, and some Ohio guys, it's a super field anyway. Mid-west guys wouldn't travel to Pa even if there wasn't a high paying race in their area. Brown was here one year only and Jeffrey has shown up several times..that's been it.

Here is a big reason why Midwest drivers do not show for the Open.  In 2013, Brian Brown made the trip to Williams Grove.  He made the "A" both nights.  He made a COMBINED $1,400.00. He paid more than that in diesel fuel and lodging to make the trip.  He told me this August at Knoxville he would not be coming the Open because of this.

RJ Johnson and Lyndon Jeffrey showed this year and lost money as did many others who run WG weekly.  Other WG "regulars" like Rick Lafferty, Jim Seigel, Ryan Bohelke (sp), Rodney Westhafer, Chad Layton, etc.....do not even show for this weekend.

The WGR and Williams Grove need to increase the purse from second to twenty-eighth to attract more drivers from anywhere.

Just my 2 cents.