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None of us should be suprised at the end of the Homestead race today....umpteen "debris cautions", all 4 cars in the hunt at the end, majically......

Gordon pits after dominating the race. I understand why you guys call it WWE sometimes. At least a sprint car owner owned the champ car.

Great rookie run Kyle. Best the 42 has run. I haven't seen points but am assuming good enough for Rookie of the Year.

It's amazing how nascar continues to make it more and more fake. Their efforts and the paying fans' stupidity is unreal.  Bragging about parity when the same car brand wins every year is also very impressive bs. 

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

While I too hate "debris cautions" at least today every single debris caution I could remember had a huge peice of sheet metal, rubber, or some big chunk of something on the track.

Gordon would not have won the race.  While yes he dominated and had the best car, he and Hamlin made a critical mistake not pitting with 20 to go.  Hamlin slid all the way to 7th.  Gordon probably would have slid to at least 3rd if not farther back.  Harvick was bad fast on 4 fresh tires going from 12th to 7th in 1.5 laps on the first restart and from 6th to 2nd in 1/2 a lap on the second, passing Hamlin only 1 lap later.  Even if Gordon had stayed out Harvick would have run him down very quickly.  If anything I think it was a classy move by Gordon to just get out of the way and let the chasers settle it.

If you want to bitch about the format fine, if you want to bitch cause your guy didn't win fine, but i don't know who can bitch about the racing.  I've been a true race fan for 30 years.  While it's not even close to sprint cars and never will be, I can never remember NASCAR racing being so exciting.  I've never seen drivers go so hard for wins, fight so hard for every inch or position.  And I'm not talking about the fighting in the pits, I'm talking about the hard racing.  And in my opinion it was all year, not just the last 10.  Wins mattered and it showed in the product on the track.

If you're a traditionalist fine...you can have your tradition, I'll take the better racing.

Everyone involved in making the decision to this new Chase format is smiling right now.....sold out races, ratings higher than expected and plenty of free press via water cooler, traditional and social media.  Whether they are complaining about the rednecks fighting or arguing about how horrible this format is there has been more attention on NASCAR racing the last couple of weeks than there ever has been.  

I don't like it, but understand why the change was made and you certainly cannot argue with the results.  

Yes Kyle won rookie of the year, he was 17th in the final standings.

You are a little goofy.  Parts came off of cars because they were brushing and hiting the wall.  Every one could see the parts on the track.  These were not NASCAR yellows.  Harvik went in and got 4 fresh tire, gordon stayed out.  It was a big gamble that did not work out.  Harvik had to beat the other 3 drivers not Gordon.  Gordon felt his car going south so stoped for tires.

Sold out races? Really? Only if people are dressed up as an empty seat. They'll sell out again once enough seats have been removed.

Fun fact, if the currents points system was in use, but without The Chase format, Larson would have finished 8th in the points and Gordon would have been the champion. Fun little "what if?" scenario.

Ask Frank

Stop the "Free pass" and if something falls off your shitbox and causes a caution, you go to the back....

Member of this message board since 1997

No Gordon fan here either, but he's been dicked out of at least three more championships.

Interesting. I would also be curious in seeing what the final standings would have been using the old school point system - the Winston Cup days.  In fact, seeing all the previous years' standings since the Chase format has been in place would be interesting.

This page has a lot of what if scenarios with varying points structures through the years.

http://www.jayski.com/news/pages/story/_/page/NASCAR-Sprint-Cup-Chase-History#classic

Ask Frank

Finally a better racing product on the track and all anyone wants to talk about is the points system.  Excuse me... all Gordon fans want to talk about is the points system.  Amazing.  Enjoy the racing like 90% of the race fans did.

Sold out races?? Have you watched any on tv? It's not hard to see a bunch of empty seats or sections covered in large ad banners. I only watch about 10 - 15 min of most Nascar races and can easily see the races ar far from sold out.

With no Chase this would have been Jeff Gordon's 7th Championship.  According to Jayski.

The Chase is nothing but a "Whoever gets 'hot' and consistent  for the last 10 races will win the Championship" deal.  As long as you can squeeze out a victory in the first 26 races, the rest of them don't matter.  To me, that is crap.  This playoff system is garbage and has been since it started.  It has turned me away from NASCAR.  I'll still watch, but I watch on my DVR and it takes me about 45 minutes to an hour for a whole race.  I no longer go to a bar to watch with buddies.  I no longer attend any races.  When Kenseth won by over 400 points, people complained that it was boring, he is too far in front, no one will catch him.  THAT is a true champion.  Everybody else just needs to step up their game.  I hate the 'chase' it is garbage.  Maybe the IRA ought to try a 'chase'.  Can you imagine Billy Balog wins 9 of them but does not win the one that counts and is NOT the champion?  Pure garbage.  NASCAR has lost a ton of money from me, no hats, shirts, tickets.  I am not alone but they don't get it.  And now we have fight fests.   Just my opinion.... 

Ya know,  Theres been some good racing this year mixed in with the dominant crappy races.   The race where Larson and Harvick were trading sliders and then Gordon and Larson was pretty darn awesome for Napcar.

But the points system is a joke.

Gordon is the Champion by 67 points.  HARVICK IS FIFTH.

Larson was EIGHTH  and not 18th.

I know, whinning on here won't help nothing.  I'll fire off a letter to Nascar.

Very cool.

It's amazing how J Johnson today is measured with the likes of Petty and Earnhardt because they all have 7 championships. Yet, in my opinion, they are not comparable due to the fact different point systems are being used. Not to take anything away from Johnson, becuase he is amazing, but it's hard to compare him to those guys.  If Earnhardt and Petty are the "Gold Standard," when comparing someone to them you have to use a common denominator - in this case: classic points system.

So really, it should be J Gordon that is seen as an equal to Petty and Earnhardt, rather than Johnson. Gordon would have won his 7th championship on Sunday if the classic point system never went away.  Johnson, on the other hand, would have just 3 championships.  I'm not a Gordon fan by any means, but this shows he will probably be HISTORICALLY underestimated - unless he's able to win 3 more championships by the end of his career.