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I don't  know  much about this new  triple X  chassis  , why  is  it the   obvious  new choice  of  teams and drivers ? what makes it so much better  then  the  other  chassis  builders  design ?  I like to know

Not better just a lot cheaper

Keith Sr
MCINTYRE MOTORSPORTS

Ok  its   cheaper  , I get that  but  why  are  some teams having  more success   after  switching  to it ?

The xxx guys are living Right. You know.... Denying country and God for self.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

i think its big in PA but not really anywhere else. I think the teams spend less on the car and more on the parts they bolt onto it maybe?

Because they are cheaper, and winning races doen't help a builder sell either. 

BINGO!!!!! WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!! I think you hit the nail on the head. Less money on Chassis more money can go into the Motor, and other parts.

Its a great chassis for local drivers

It's a great chassis PERIOD!!!!!!!!! it would work just as well for a WoO, ALL STAR..ext. driver as it does a local.

Cheaper would only be a small part of the equation.

Higher dollar teams like Hodnett, Montieth, etc ... would not be running them if they thought another chassis performed better.  I've talked to Fred Rahmer in the past ... his team (his kids and Stevie Smith) are definately not using them because they are cheaper.  There is a reason Fred kept using XXX after his hugely successful retirement season in them.

I think the XXX chassis has had three different winners this year in WoO ... Stevie Smith, Dewease, and Ryan Smith.  And, Brady Bacon just won the USAC Sprint championship last night. Those guys are winning in the xxx chassis.  Given those results, more and more race teams are trying them.

A quote I heard years ago made some sence and maybe to a certain dagree not, "bars are bars" ... over the years I have paid close attntion to ideas chassis manufacters come up with as the "new coming of christ" all of them are moderate changes with no real bennifit that seperates one chassis or desighn from the other,IMO,   sure, talking with racers some will say  "oe ya gotta have this,  or,  I wouldnt race without that"   but,  in my observation , the standard platform for a typical sprint chassis hasnt changed greatly since 1981ish?  sure,  some additions for safety,wheelbase and setbacks ect are present, BUT,  is there one thing that stands out that becomes a "revolution" in desighn? , i really think the important thing here with XXX is the chassis is a trow away item after incident (major incident),  for instance ,  if your shoes are worn and battered, they fit well and work just right,  you like them,thier your favorite pair,  they begin to develope a hole, you step in the first water puddle after a good rain and your feet are wet, does that mean you dislike the shoes? is that the shoes fault thier life expectency was achieved because of your useage?, , OR, if the shoes are priced respectably would you repair them or just buy another pair?  the cost for a new fresh chassis is obvious, this makes it difficult for the traditional builders to keep up with that price in thier market .. TRUTH BE TOLD .. thier fine,xxx chassis are fine,   besides the turmoil you might recieve from the competitors it makes no sence, the bigger question is,  would the typical chassis builders sell me a chassis if it switched from a xxx to a american manufacture? ,I guess there is a limit to" he says he says B.S." , any manufacture willing to sell cars shouldnt vocalize negativities as to what my ass sat in last, fact is , your only as good as your competition...

I do not think that a car owner that spends $45,000 on 3 engines buys a Triple XXX so he can save $1,000 per frame.  They use them because they like them.  In the total cost of racing to save $1,000 on a frame would not be of much consideration.   This subject comes up quite often.  If you go to Walmart and buy chinese objects why be critical of XXX?

for us, its a reasonable chassis with a quick turn around. crashit on saturday, a new powdercoated chassis  is delivered the way you ordered it on thursday. Hell I've waited weeks before so you wind up carrying more parts than you need.

If a car owner, driver and crew chief thought they could win with a 5 gallon bucket they would. XXX, Maxim, J&J or any chassis is only a piece of the puzzle.  The entire car is what matters and finding a combination of engine, parts and chassis that work for the driver and crew chief is the most important thing.  Schatz proved this by saying they won on 4 different shock companies this year.

DA

I have read many drivers saying that the chassis responds to changes really well, Ryan Smith switched because he saw what Rahmer/Smith were able to do with the chassis, and for whatever reason, Ryan imediatly had better results including his Outlaw win at Port, Could Ryan have won in another chassis, we will never know. One thing is for sure, XXX is getting the job done big time in Pennsylvania. This isn't am all of the sudden thing either, Montieth and Brent Marks have been running them for quite a few years now.

the more important question...if the XXX is as "inferior" as some clems claim...why are the other teams LOSING RACES TO the XXX?

could it be the guys who know HOW to win races also know HOW to choose and wrench the right equipment?

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

hodnetts team built one to try and tested at susky 2 weeks ago. right out the box it was faster (i believe they brought their other car as comparison) ryan smith said he could feel the changes they made as soon as he ran their xxx the first time.     i thought the xxx was a maxim copy. if it has the same pickup points and dimensions, why do they seem to work better for a lot of the teams. i really dont think its the cost. most of these guys will pay what it takes to go faster. maybe the chassis just flexes a different way and local guys got it figured out.

These chassis are made from the same material and welded the same way with tig. The major difference is that the welding sequence is different than that of other chassis. The welding sequence of each joint will determine how they react on the track....flexing etc. And if you think they are all Chinese made you may be on for a rude awakening since they are welded in the U.S. the company is Chinese. Its way to expensive to build them in China and ship. 

Fast is sweet but, sweeter on dirt.

Where did this wisdom come from?

i believe it was made common knowledge when xxx first came out and was getting so much shit for parts made in china