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After several years of 360's expansion, it's great to see the 410's growing again.  Next year we will have more touring series' than we've had in a long time.  The midwest is now completely covered with 410 racing.  This will provide more local teams when WoO comes through town.

Next up, move 410's down through the South and Texas!

Here is the current lineup for 2015;

• National:  WoO
• West Coast:  King of the West, Chico
• ND:  NOSA, River Cities
• NE/IA/MO/KS/SD:  MOSS & Knoxville
• IL:  MOWA
• WI:  IRA
• Ohio/Western PA:  All Stars, Renegades, FAST
• PA:  to many tracks to name but they contiue to add bigger purse races and more dates

Besides the NOSA Outlaw sprints running at River Cities in ND, they also run often at other tracks in Minnesota and ND on select dates as well as Winnipeg,Manitoba

Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL -  NYC, Detroit, Chicago, 
Seattle, LA  Who the H runs those cities. 

Just a different thought - way of looking at it......where are these new teams?, or is it are we streching/spreading out existing teams? At least here in the Ohio area, I can't think of any new 410 teams.  Seems to me the Renegade/All Star situation is just taking our existing 410 teams and spreading them out even further. 

I like you post and your enthusiasm.  Maybe I'm just playing deveil's advocate, but not trying to be a smart arse to you!

I'm afraid of this same thing in the MOSS area.  Yes Brown, Johnson, Lasoski, McCarl will benefit-but what about the rest?  Other than these guys and maybe Henderson, I. Madsen, and Jeffrey  will the cars come from the 360's that already have a hard time filling full fields?  Knoxville 410 regulars haven't traveled in the past, is this enough to entice them? 

Jordan Ryan, Dustin Stroup, TJ Michael, and Jimmy Colvin are all moving up to 410's next year. Colvin and Michael have actually ran 410's the last few weeks. Thats 4 new FAST teams moving up because they know the big money teams will be traveling more IMO with Renegades/All Stars.

Also, with 9w team going to the big show, I really do not see there being more than 1 All Star next year, which makes you wonder if Guy Webb will be able to schedule any races. The Renegade Series looks to be in the drivers seat up to this point IMO.

I agree with you Larson, but I am optimistic that more races, more opportunities, better paying shows will encourage more owners to stay in this, and maybe attract some new ones? 

I think these new groups are targeting the owners especially, trying to make this more financially sustainable....keep your fingers crossed!

If I owned an ASCS national team I would have to seriously consider jumping ship to the new 410 series. It is for the same, and in some cases more, per event money. Higher points fund. Same number of races. A fraction of the travel. The savings on travel costs will more than make up the difference in th 360 vs 410 cost argument. 

While I have no inside information, I would not be shocked to see several of the ASCS guys make the swap.

There is no replacement for cubic displacement 

I know in the east, 410's have remained relatively constant numbers over the last decade while the 360's are dwindling. URC and ESS have half the full-time cars they had a few years ago.

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I   agree   with alot  of what   Larsonfan   says , I   am sorry   I see  no  expansion  as of yet  , NO  NEW  OWNERS  , NO  NEW TRACKS .  Costs   are   too high   for car  owners  , that  is why  we  are losing  car  owners  , the  fun is gone . Now  most  race   a limited  race  schedule  . Yes  , this new  series  in the  Midwest   will  spark  new  interest , money  , a  good  circuit . Why  did  Todd Quiring  get  out  of car  ownership  ? because   he  knows  he can make  more as  a promoter , and yes  he wants  to help   racing  . But   the way   to help   racing  is  get   the  WoO   to cut costs  ?  so other  groups will  follow . Right   now  most  guys  are  over investing to keep up with  the  Outlaw   teams  ,so they  can race   for  there  purses . I know  people   wll  disagree  with this   but   this  is  what  is happening  in  Pa  and other  areas.  My opinion  is   to breakaway  from  WoO  , AND  LET  ALL   AREAS  DO  THERE  OWN THING  , UNLESS  major  costs  are cut  such  as motor , tires  , fuel  and other major  costs . WoO  WON'T  CHANGE , THERE  MAKING  TOO MUCH MONEY , due  the fan  support  .

Winning drive, I think what we are actually witnessing is a consolidation, not an expansion.....

If you look at the very first post on this thread, All areas ARE starting to do their own thing.....to help car owners.....by cutting down on the travel, reigning in the costs, offering higher paying races....and more races in a smaller area. Like I have said before, there have been times when there were no races close to me because the All Stars or WOO were on a tour of California or Through the Plains....so, I am all for more groups who stay in a smaller area and have more races....just as long as the tracks and series don't schedule on top of each other....spreading out the cars too much like Larson said....If it's done with cooperation, I think it will work....and I think that more owners will get involved when they see it is feasable.....right? I hope? 

Tod did not get out of car ownership. He has stated he will still field a car/s.

I'd love to see a revival of either 360 or 410 racing here in Texas.   All we've got is 305s and I'm just not impressed enough to go see them every week.   We get 360s when ASCS comes to town, but at some tracks you've gotta sit through eight other classes (no exaggeration!) to see them.  I won't do that either, so I usually just go to Devils Bowl's ASCS shows since they generally only run three other classes.    At least the 410s are back once a year since they came back to Devils Bowl.   I don't know if reviving 410 or 360 on a weekly basis would work, but I'd love to see it.  

Willie;

You really should give the 305's a chance. From what I've seen the last 2 years at Eagle Raceway, the racing is much closer because the engines are so close to equal. You don't have the "Big names", but you get better racing. I think it's a great trade-off.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

You may have a good point.   At the last ASCS National show at Devils Bowl the racing was nonexistent.   The track was locked down fast all night.   The heats were freight trains, so was the B main.   The feature had the winner start on the front row and run off and leave everybody.    I left thinking I hadn't seen even five competitive passes the entire night.    The 305 sprints salvaged the night though.   They had good racing in the heats and better racing in the feature than what ASCS had.  I am happy 305s are doing well in this area.  

Not to hijack this thread but the 305's are nothing more than a beginner or support class. If 305's are all that's left in Texas then sprintcar racing is dead in texas. What's next? Single barrel carb v-6 sprints? 

305's are the herpes of sprint cars

the dirt cup at scrapit speedway aka skagit is no longer a 410 show.  ascs sanctioned mav tv 360 show with 15k to win on saturday night.  three day show.  poor management by the owner...

http://www.skagitspeedway.com/news/?i=25606 

Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

In South (Gulf Coast) Texas, 305's ARE about all that is left and that is only because one track has been supporting them as a beginner class.   ASCS does pretty well, but of course that only happens every 6-8 weeks.  WoO hasn't been around in years, and even in the good years they only hit one track.  One track, owned by an ASCS team,  tried running 360s regularly but car counts were not overwhelming, even on ASCS off-nights.

In general,  the tracks are going to economical, program-filler classes just to attract enough cars for a show, and in order to pay expenses from entrace fees.  Full-on modifieds have been on life-support for the last couple of years, this year is probably the end for them.  So I certainly see no opportunity for a 410 resurgence around here, especially since we had little to start with.

That's why I tried to reserve my comments for the D/FW area and North Texas.   Sounds like the Houston area is pretty much the same.   The difference up here is that the 305s do appear to be doing pretty well with regard to car counts.   On Saturday nights there are two tracks up here running them.   Kennedale Speedway Park has had full fields in the class on many nights.   Devils Bowl lags behind just a little usually, but on many night still has nearly 20 cars.    Between the two tracks I'd say there are over 40 cars on most nights.    Unfortunately for me, I just don't like 305s enough even though they did put on a good show at the Bowl the last time I was there.  I'm certainly not sitting through four IMCA classes, factory stocks, street stocks, and mini stocks to see them at KSP.   

I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that you have to leave Texas to see good racing.  In recent years I've seen a couple of good races up at the Ditch in Memphis, and of course I go to Knoxville yearly now.   Hopefully next year I'll be able to travel more.  

this past season with the IRA was great. good crowds, some new tracks that turned out great. good car counts, boosted by new, young, very solid drivers/teams. a nice selection of travelling big names running shows here and there. Bill Rose. 3 WoO shows in WI, the all star/IRA race at wilmot. next year the addition of non wing sprint cars at wilmot. tracks made improvements. looking forward to 2015 and beyond!

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Yeah, 305's as a headliner wouldn't get me to the track either. They are a good support division though. They probably put on a decent show on 1/3 mile or less size tracks.

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