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Already      30     WINGED 410 SPRINTS!!!

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Way to go!!! schedule at race against the Dirt Classic. Make the guys choose between $20,000 or supporting the Renegades.

Which guys? 

The only driver who would've been at Lincoln that won't be now is Danny Holtgraver.  And he might've gone to Selinsgrove for the 360 show, who knows.

These tracks are 4 hours apart.  Both will have nice fields of cars.  I'm pretty sure races have been run against each other on the same night in the past in the world didn't end.

wifflt270

"Way to go!!! schedule at race against the Dirt Classic. Make the guys choose between $20,000 or supporting the Renegades."

I think only 1-3 drivers would maybe have gone to Dirt Classic.

Most of those guy are running in OH and western PA mostly and plus if they wanted to go and race for $20,000 to win race.  They would not have given the promoter their name when this flier was made on 9/4.

Nice start. 30 cars? Wonder how many of these guys will travel on a regular basis. Don't see many of them traveling to central Pa or any further west than eastern Indiana. Looking like the 'Renegades' are going to be basically an Ohio series?!? Thoughts?

Railfan, it looks to me like the Renegades will focus on Ohio, and also some in Western Pa, Michigan and Indiana.....where most of these drivers and teams are based.  

I think one of the reasons for this group popping up is that the other series, in recent years, continued scheduling more travelling than majority of their drivers could afford to do?....and so racing for point fund money became a struggle just to get to some of the races far away?.....So I think the Renegades focus is to have more races for $5,000.00 to win in the 4 state area than are currently being run, and at the same time allow the teams to be closer to home and cut expenses....

  I can see this race taking maybe 8 drivers from Atomic Speedway saturday night. That might make a low car count there.

Atomic to Pitt. Penn. Motor Speedway is about 3 hrs 45 mins away. 

Lincoln Speedway to Pitt. Penn. Motor Speedway is about 4hrs 15 mins. away.

Are there any new drivers besides the 30 + that are listed on the flier.

  I know its a long way from Atomic to PPMS but there is still  8 drivers that normaly run at Atomic on the list that wont be there saturday night. I would imagine they will be lucky to get a full field. I hope I am wrong,there may be some outsiders come in to check it out before the OWC. I will still be there.

Renegade Sprints
"Sprint Monster" Roster as of 9/24
Tim Shaffer
Danny Holtgraver
Travis Philo
Andrew Palker
Caleb Helms
Cole Duncan
Greg Wilson
Chad Kemenah
Dean Jacobs
Mitch Harble
Jordan Harble
Chris Myers
Jamie Myers
Rod George
Cody Swanson
Ed Lynch Jr
Brandon Matus
Brent Matus
A J Flick
Bob McMillin
Skip Dougherty
Eric Williams
Francis Sesco
Chad Matthews
C J Jones
Brandon Cornelius
Zach Morrrow
Sheldon Haudenshild
Lynton Jeffrey
Adam Kekich
Chris Piccaro
Davey Jones
Dan Kuriger

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PA schedules the beginning of their Speekweek while Ohio is still running theirs.......

It  a shame  this race  comes up the same  night  as  the Dirt  Classic , but  they  should support  the  new series  . The   Renegades   will   run  in  Ohio , Indiana , Michigan , Western Pa  , and  Central  Pa  . I would  think about  13  may  travel  with  them  to  further  distances  , no more  long  tows  other  what  I mentioned .  Three   good races  in  PA  Lncoln , Selinsgrove , and  Pittsburgh  Motor  Speedway  , WOW ,  the big car  count  will  be at  Lincoln  , and  the smaller track will  make   Lincoln  a  good race except  there  may be alot of  accidents  , tight  track .

One more day to this race.  Has anyone heard or know anymore drivers racing on Saturday at PPMS that is not on the list?

13? LOL More like 3(same as the all-stars). I doubt that PPMS will draw 30 cars as that is a HUGE, no passing, motor track.  Who are the renegades and why should we support them? 

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How many might just drop this & run that Midwest series. Sounds like that is where the dough is going to be for no more races that they are running.

I  was  told  that is  what   they hope to bring   to each track  where   they  go ,by  Danny  Holtgraver'  dad . They   have  some good ideas  for   teams , fans  and owners  . They  are  basically  made up  of  Ohio  , Indiana , Michigan  and  Western  Pa  drivers . No   group  can really afford to travel that  much , the  new   group  in  Midwest if formed  will  not travel  out of there  area  either  that far . Costs   again are  hurting  all  teams  , and trying  to keep up  with each  other  to be  competitive .

I have no doubt that PMS could have 30 + cars.  And there will be more than 3 cars following the renegade sprints.  To answer your question on who the renegades are....they are a group of drivers from the Ohio/Western Pennsylvania area that are tired of the way Guy Webb is treating them and running the All Star Series.  It has been mentioned on this board and in the central Pa. newspapers on how Guy owes Hodnett money.  Well, I spoke with a team recently, who is involved with the Renegades and there is a lot more than just the money he owes Hodnett.  This new racing series, the renegades, all came about earlier in the summer when the All-Stars were at Wayne County Speedway and multiple waves of rains showers came through as they were trying to get the race in.  To make a long story short, the drivers felt that the conditions were not safe and it was told to me that Guy Webb told the drivers the only All-Star he needed was Dale Blaney.  If this is true, and I have no reason to not believe it based on the source, then I hope this new series forces Guy out of the sprint car business.  I also hope that the current renegades stay away from the all star races to force Guy Webb out of business.  This will probably be the hardest part because some of these guys are full time racers.  The All-Stars were once an outstanding series and still can be.  Their big shows include the Florida Winternationals and Ohio Sprint Speedweek and these events will be hard to skip when you are a full-time driver.  Hopefully, the fans will also support the renegades to make things better for sprint car racing.