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The outlaws 24hr rule serves a purpose but seems ridiculous in situations like the one right now in grand forks. The WoO run tomorrow in minot. There is a local NOSA 410 show at River Cities Speedway tonight as the 2nd half of a double header. 3gs to win*. Having spoke with a few WoO crew members today, at least 3 teams are staying in GF tonight and leaving for minot tomorrow. But they cant run tonight. The car can but the driver cant. So these guys will be sitting in hotels watching little league baseball and their rigs will be parked while there is a quality 410 show going on only 2miles away. Dumb. 3gs could do some teams well. See 1a & 1s.

i'm not sure the car could run either. i always thought the rule was that no contracted team or driver could run an event at a track that didn't have a woo event on there schedule unless granted permission

also i believe they can't run any non woo show at any track within 48 hrs and 250 or 500 miles from a woo show unless granted permission.

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Could be right. I was told the car can. Also something about a non woo sanctioned track. Check out @bestdirttrack's Tweet: https://twitter.com/bestdirttrack/status/500721581803335680

Guy says the king is running. I would be surprised as an 11 car crew member told me no,  just this morning. Though he is a long time friend of promoter and original outlaw Don Mack. Could be an Un announced surprise. 

Would any of them run for $3,000 regardless of the rule?

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c'mon we all know racers would race for $3 if allowed!

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The rule serves the Outlaws well and most of the drivers know that the rules serve them well.   If you want to see the best, you have to pay for the best.

The wingless guys/USAC guys are living proof of why this rule is needed.  I have read countless times on another forum fans asking why they should pay the USAC premium for a ticket  when most of the same drivers will be racing the next night at a regular show and the fans only have to pay $12 to enter.    I have also read countless times why no one understands why the WOO can consistently pay more than USAC.  

The drivers understand that to keep the demand up for thier appearances that they have to limit the supply.

Hey Jetstar9er let us know how it went in GF tonight..Sprint and taxi results and who from last nights show ran...

None of this explains why Dollansky didn't race the WoO show on Friday.  Or does it....?

If that is indeed the case where drivers show up at the $12 shows and the USAC shows then it's apparent to me that the USAC drivers don't understand that they need to limit their appearances.  

I have to agree with many who posted repsonses.  The WOO is a dictatorship not a democracy and that is what you need to run a successful organization like they are.  They offer a product that many want to buy--stands are packed at every WOO event I attend--and the money offered to the drivers is bar none the best in the country for running sprint car events.  (as a whole--not talking each individual event by itself) 

A good example:  Jason Sides.  Even with the HUGE disagreement and lawsuit, once it was settled, he was back.  They put up with very little $hit because they don't have to put up with it.  The product they offer is good enough that they can keep their rules tight and their full time drivers on their leash.  And you can't disagree with the success of it.  Sure a driver here and there will get upset with them (i.e. Jason Sides and Steve Kinser at the King's Royal about 5 or 6 years ago).  But when the dust clears all of these drivers know the organization they are racing for is the top in the country and possibly the world. 

So stop acting like they are idiots.  Stop acting like they are making dumb decisions.  They are a business and they keep their employees acting and performing within the rules of their business.  And the health of the WOO is a testament to the business model. 

Lets also not forget the WoO drivers agreed to this when they signed on the dotted line. It may not make sence to some of you, but it must have to the drivers. If you want to watch those drivers go to any WoO race and enjoy!!

The USAC comparison is a very good one. If the WoO drivers all showed up for this $3k to win show, it could make promoters think twice about scheduling them and having to pay the standard purse.

Doesn't pertain to driving a late model though.

And to add to this--why do all of these drivers sign on that line?  It is the premier series in the country.  If you ask (almost) any driver in the country what their dream is, it would be landing a full-time WOO tour ride.  They may bitch and complain about a few things here and there, but they all know in the back of their mind that the WOO has their sanctioning body's best interest in mind with every decision.  And if it is in the WOO's best interest, it is in the driver's best interest. 

Like you pointed out sprintman11, you know if you attend a WOO show, you know exactly which drivers you are going to see along with the locals.  This is a direct result of a contract that is strict and very strictly enforced.

We listen to all of the bitches on this forum, but really the World of Oulaws deserves a lot more positive feedback than it gets. 

And for those of you that actually think your regional or local organization has it right and the WOO has it wrong?  Please.  Your comparing two completely different animals. 

...and the sanctioning fee.

I thought the WOO drivers could drive different cars on their off nights. Darrah drove the family 89 quite a bit on off nights a couple years ago and I know there have been others jump in different cars on off-nights as well.

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this is what i understand.

they can run non woo events at tracks that host woo events in that season as long as it is not within 48 hrs and 250 or 500 miles from a woo event. not exactly sure of the distance.

they can ask permission to run anything they want and if it is granted it is ok. tim kaeding wasn't allowed to run a 360 race at stockton ca earlier this year when a woo event was running at the track the next night.

keep in mind this pertains to only contracted teams and drivers.

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3 grand or 5 grand.  don't matter, its still not enough.  I understand the reasoning and also realize the drivers agree to the stipulation through contracts.  My point was that it seemed odd that there would be drivers in the city the night of the race but unable to run.  btw, my info re the car can run but not the driver came right from a crew member of a car most recently affected, and mentioned above, by this rule.  they also claimed it was a stupid rule and wished they could run.  So, even though it is understand and agreed to, it doesn't mean they like it.  It's kind of one of those things, if you want to play you gotta play by their rules, whether you like it, understand it or "agree" with it.

When some of the drivers are making $200.00 a night $3,000.00 would help a lot. You know this.