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What was said on the raceciever? 

Was anyone told about the caution and to stay low in the turn? 

When a driver is "hot",  sometimes the raceciever provides additional information directed to individuals 

get out another bag of popcorn...

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

he will defend his son's sponsor - err friend?

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Did you guys see this video looks like he jumps at the car and hangs on to the wing you can see him falling off the wing with his arms still in the air around :12 it is blurry so granted just speculation but it is something to look at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XvhrPu64Co

Come on.. Geeezzzz... If he had if jumped on the car the right side would have dropped.. Instead it looks like it gets kicked back to the left as if it "hit"  something.. (might also if been the throttle lifting) 

Go jump on the right side of one and see how much deflection there is.. The videos do not show it. 

Watch the left tire you can see how it moves the car is shaking side to side granted could be from hanging or something else but you see his arm come down after his body after he falls

if you watch you can see when ward grabs the wing it pulls the whole wing down on the right side and loads the car so hard it actually seems to change the direction of the car. it definately looks like he grabbed the wing for some reason and was trying to hang on.

to indy and beyond!!

How does one just jump on to a sprint car moving at 30+ mph? Sure looks to me like he was jumping back .....as if someone came at him. Not buying the jumping on the car theory.

Also, when did a call come on the Raceiver of a yellow for a spin in turn two? Pretty quick I'll bet. Tony may not have hit the lap before but he sure crowded him out of the high groove. Plus what happened between the two in the however many laps were run before the incident? 

Agreed.  Absolutely looks like he may have launched himself to hang onto the car, I don't think he would have been thrown up there by contact, he is obviously higher than standing on the track.  Just look where he disappears behind the car, and then where he falls, looks like somewhere around 10, 20 yards. He was 'riding' (for lack of a better term) for a tiny bit.  He was not dragged under neath, he is hanging on, and I would bet, based on that blurry video, that the blunt force trauma was from slamming on the ground.  I'll change my tune when I see other proof.  Again, just my opinion, the way I see it.

i never said ward tried to intentionally jump on the car.

if you watch the vid with an open mind and really look at it you can see it sure looks like ward grabbed the top wing for some reason. maybe he slipped, maybe he was trying to smack the car as it went by, i don't know.

you can see the whole top wing being pulled down and to the right and the car actually change direction.

watch the top wing of the car and you can see the right side panel being pulled doen and the left side go up and the wing being pulled to the side.

it seems to load the right side of the car enough to make it change direction.

call me what you want but this vid seems to show ward grabbing the wing and tried to hold on.

now before you put words in my mouth i have no idea why he might have grabbed the wing. like i said maybe ward slipped, maybe he was clipped by the right front and was tring to catch his balance. maybe he found himself closer to the car than he intended and realised he was going to be hit and tried to jump on the side of the car to hang on in order to save himself. i don't know. but hard to ignore that ward does appear to grab the wing and try to hang on.

if i found myself in a situtaion where i was about to be hit and i couldn't get out of the way you can darn sure bet i would be trying to jump on that car and hang on.  you do what you think you have to do in that instant.

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Fair enough Buzz. Not trying to argue with you or anybody else.

i also tend to agree that it looks like ward was hanging onto the side of the wing (again no reason other than he might have resorted to that move to try to save himself) and then possibly lost his grip and fell. i don't see from the vid that he was pulled under but just can't be sure. can't even be sure he was run over with the RR as i didn't notice the RR bounce as though it went over him.

for what ever reason it sure does appear ward found himself in a situation where he felt he had to grab onto the wing in an effort to save himself. tough situation to be in.

as an example when i was in grade school i had an older cousin who had just got his license. i was standing behind his car as he was going to pull away forward. he got it in reverse by mistake and hit the gas. i was trapped between the back of his car and my dads truck that was behind it. i had nowhere to go i didn't have enough time to get out from behind the car. so i jumped up on the back of the car coming at me and tried to find something to hang onto. i couldn't find anything to hold onto but luckly i did jump on the trunk of the car. the car slammed into the truck and moved it back and i slammed back against the truck and fell on the ground. i would have grabbed anything to save myself when that car was coming at me but my only option was to jump on the car. i was lucky.

this whole thing is a bad sad deal.

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Buzz,  the car would also rock slightly right when it hits something.. No way does the car rock to the right as if someone jumped on the right side. 

Bottom line and it sucks.. I believe Tony was counter steering into the drift.. Again showing that his intention was not to turn left. 

The car stops sliding and turns right... Admittedly.. A lot to do with the rear impact... And potentially more traction in the left rear

i know you are not trying to argue. you are just giving your opinion based on your view of things. that is all any of us can do.

was just trying to explain to you what i appear to be seeing and trying to understand it.

i related an incident that happened to me when i found myself in a bad situtaion. i think you do what you have to do sometimes no matter what.

to indy and beyond!!

i understand your view on things so not arguing, just discussing things.

take a close look at the wing and you can see it being pulled down on the right side. you can also see the top wing being pulled to the right. you can see ward hanging on the right side panel.

i don't think it was an impact that changed the direction of the car. i think the weight of someone hanging on the right side panel had a big effect on the change in direction.

watch tony go by ward and watch the top wing. the car doesn't really bounce. the top wing just gets pulled.

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AND, he drops to the ground maybe 15, 20 yards from where we last see him on the track.  If hit, he would be buckled, not standing straight up with his arms straight up, grabbing the wing. JMO  As you say, just trying to make sense of it all, and different people will see it differently.

Buzz..  If he did intact grab the wing  in an attempt to ride... Potentially  the impact causing injury have have been from striking the ground... If so.. Then smoke is in the clear 

cobra, it is safe to say none of us know for sure what happened or why at this point. all we can do is try our best to understand. i'm inclined to say out of an attempt at self preservation ward ended up grabbing the wing and possibly tried to hold on and get footing on the side nerf as the car was coming at him and he had no escape. i think it is safe to say we are trying to figure out how that unfolded and came to be, but we do know ward was confronted with a car coming at him that he couldn't escape.

ward may have suffered trauma from hitting the ground or maybe he was struck by the RR and we just can't tell.

myself i would like to be able to see a view that shows tony's car in the frame sooner so we have a better opportunity to see his reactions. from this vid it does seem to show tonys car coming into view already just slightly skewed to the right and in a slight drift. i can't buy into the prospect that any driver would toy with another driver by trying to roost them or scare them while they are open and unprotected and so close to the oncoming car. so i just wonder if tony saw ward and tried to turn left and the rear end slid out on him or if it pushed a bit, or to make sure it didn't push, he did in fact burp the throttle to try to turn the car down and it skewed. that is the part we don't know.

for the life of me i don't see any contact between the two cars before ward hit the wall. tony did slide up, but it looks like he left the kid a lane up top. in a vid i saw it looked like as tony slid up ward got back on the gas and tried to rim ride on the outside of tony and just lost it. all this talk of tony bumping the kid off the track and all just doesn't seem to be born out by what i have seen. we don't know if there was any bumping or cutting off that happened in any prior laps to piss ward off or if he just thought ony should have left him more than the room he had in the turn.

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Agreed, 100%   It is obvious that the kid had a hard on for Tony in what he percieved Tony to do, running him high, and anything else that may have happened durig the race to that point.