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July 07, 2014 at
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Okay, I'm officially lost, are we still talking about the race where only three track regulars finished in the top ten even after the New Jersey Hit Squad took out yet another invader while leading...? :/
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Lucas graduates in the bottom third of WoO University and takes another PA speedweek.
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Posted By: jsimp96 on July 07 2014 at 11:42:23 AM
Don't kid yourself. If Blaney ran the PA Speedweek, he'd have been top five in points. It's set up for outsiders to come and do well. Path Valley and Grandview get many of the drivers out of their comfort zone that are accustomed to big tracks, and the rest of the races do the same to the Lincoln guys that are used to smaller tracks. Make no mistake, PA Speedweek is not what it used to be. And like you said, Wolfe wasn't even at Lincoln and still won... Wolfe had strong runs all week. Seems kinda embarrassing to have your speedweek won by someone who wasn't even at all the races.
Side note: Bacon was one point out of sixth for the week and he left Thursday.
Now I don't know how points are distributed in Ohio nor in PA (which may make these stats completely irrelevant), but the "Speedweak" points had the fifth place Montieth 463 points back. The Ohio Speedweek had its 17th place finishing Duncan 458 points back. IF they are similar points systems... talk about parity.
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Don't know how the points line up either, but there were not very many teams that ran all Pa speedweek races. IMO it's a testiment to the fact that many Pa drivers have full time jobs and low budgets that preclude them from running the whole week. It's sad that a driver the caliber of Lance Dewease couldn't even run the whole series and he's one of the Posse's top guns.
As far as car counts at Pa races, again I think a lot has to do with budget constraints. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Ohio doesn't support 358/360 cars. They have only 305 and 410. Many Pa folks can't compete in 410's and 305 purses are low so they run 358/360. In Ohio it's either 305 or 410. I could be wrong, correct me if I am.
Dietrich was 5th in points in Ohio after 4 races....at tracks he was seeing for the first time...not bad.
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Posted By: ricci49 on July 07 2014 at 01:21:28 PM
Lucas graduates in the bottom third of WoO University and takes another PA speedweek.
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Can't be that easy. The great Kyle Larson did a whole lot of not much when he ran PA Speedweek a few years back.
You certainly do whine and cry a lot when someone mentions Cali. drives, but you have no problem bashing other areas of the country.
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Posted By: ricci49 on July 07 2014 at 01:21:28 PM
Lucas graduates in the bottom third of WoO University and takes another PA speedweek.
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Why does this sound so familar, oh that's right, Pittman took his degree from Posse U and became a Champion...
It's a good thing the Professor is tenured and Kasey Kahne wasn't at Hagerstown last week or another driver of the 27 would be the 2015 Champ...Thanks for playing along...
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July 07, 2014 at
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Posted By: jsimp96 on July 07 2014 at 11:42:23 AM
Don't kid yourself. If Blaney ran the PA Speedweek, he'd have been top five in points. It's set up for outsiders to come and do well. Path Valley and Grandview get many of the drivers out of their comfort zone that are accustomed to big tracks, and the rest of the races do the same to the Lincoln guys that are used to smaller tracks. Make no mistake, PA Speedweek is not what it used to be. And like you said, Wolfe wasn't even at Lincoln and still won... Wolfe had strong runs all week. Seems kinda embarrassing to have your speedweek won by someone who wasn't even at all the races.
Side note: Bacon was one point out of sixth for the week and he left Thursday.
Now I don't know how points are distributed in Ohio nor in PA (which may make these stats completely irrelevant), but the "Speedweak" points had the fifth place Montieth 463 points back. The Ohio Speedweek had its 17th place finishing Duncan 458 points back. IF they are similar points systems... talk about parity.
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Go back to twitter buddy. How the points are distributed isn't the only thing about Ohio or Pennsylvania racing you don't know...
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Posted By: Dirthawk on July 07 2014 at 03:41:27 PM
Go back to twitter buddy. How the points are distributed isn't the only thing about Ohio or Pennsylvania racing you don't know...
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Enlighten me then.
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Posted By: jsimp96 on July 07 2014 at 04:09:12 PM
Enlighten me then.
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Very few drivers run all of the speedweek shows anymore, unless their in the hunt for the championship, especially now. The days of Harz, Hamilton, Keen, Beam, Kline, Stewart, Leach, Trone, Swope, Weikert, etc are over in this economy as car owners and all of those owners had fielded cars in the last 10-12 years. Zero do now. Combine that with the changing of the guard so to speak with Shaffer, Rahmer, Kauffman, and others retiring recently and you could say the Posse is down right now. As for Brady Bacon leaving after Thursday, the guy he finished directly behind in Speedweek points ran just as many races and managed to finish ahead of him. Some nobody local from PA. Brady Bacon won a lot of fans in PA while he was here though, we all hope he makes it back. Winning at Path Valley seemed like a pretty big deal to him, but that was just his words, I hope he knows how little he accomplished in the eyes of the hosehead experts. On to Lucas Wolfe. I wouldn't exactly compare what the 5w and the 1z do. It's similar to comparing what Stevie Smith does in the 83 vs. the 51. Why did Lucas get to start 10th after blowing up in his heat? Ummm, he was QUICK TIME. That might be why, just maybe. Had it of been a WoO show, he'd have started a few spots better. Finally, Dale Blaney would have been top 3, worst case, if he ran PA speedweek, might have easily won it. That said, am I wrong, or has he been running with the All-Stars the last 10+ years? How many championships did he win, 5-6 by now? How many ASCoC races has he won at Lincoln, Port, or Williams Grove for the 6-8 races a year they ran every year, during that time? About 4 less than he won during 2014 Ohio Speedweek..
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Posted By: railfan33 on July 07 2014 at 01:22:58 PM
Don't know how the points line up either, but there were not very many teams that ran all Pa speedweek races. IMO it's a testiment to the fact that many Pa drivers have full time jobs and low budgets that preclude them from running the whole week. It's sad that a driver the caliber of Lance Dewease couldn't even run the whole series and he's one of the Posse's top guns.
As far as car counts at Pa races, again I think a lot has to do with budget constraints. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Ohio doesn't support 358/360 cars. They have only 305 and 410. Many Pa folks can't compete in 410's and 305 purses are low so they run 358/360. In Ohio it's either 305 or 410. I could be wrong, correct me if I am.
Dietrich was 5th in points in Ohio after 4 races....at tracks he was seeing for the first time...not bad.
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Ohio has the NRA sprints, a 360 group that runs around the Lima area. They are running both nights of the Kings Royal and will probably pull 30 cars. The 360s just ran a great $7500 to win show last week at Waynesfield Ohio. 40 cars strong for that. Though not as many in numbers as 410s in Ohio, still a strong division.
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Stanley......After further review from video highlights, the 747 was not even close to Blaney...the tire just gave it up. They weren't even within 15 feet of each other nor did the 747 make any moves forcing the 98 to change his exit of the turn.. The speed on the red/brown clay had your vision hosed up. Too much rubber based black clay in your history.
Just clarifying your erred observation.
Enjoying weekly competitive 410
racing from February to October at any one of 5 or 6
tracks only 15 minutes to 1 hour from my soft bed..
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Your head was blocking my view...History revised...
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Posted By: LatshPA on July 07 2014 at 05:54:35 PM
Very few drivers run all of the speedweek shows anymore, unless their in the hunt for the championship, especially now. The days of Harz, Hamilton, Keen, Beam, Kline, Stewart, Leach, Trone, Swope, Weikert, etc are over in this economy as car owners and all of those owners had fielded cars in the last 10-12 years. Zero do now. Combine that with the changing of the guard so to speak with Shaffer, Rahmer, Kauffman, and others retiring recently and you could say the Posse is down right now. As for Brady Bacon leaving after Thursday, the guy he finished directly behind in Speedweek points ran just as many races and managed to finish ahead of him. Some nobody local from PA. Brady Bacon won a lot of fans in PA while he was here though, we all hope he makes it back. Winning at Path Valley seemed like a pretty big deal to him, but that was just his words, I hope he knows how little he accomplished in the eyes of the hosehead experts. On to Lucas Wolfe. I wouldn't exactly compare what the 5w and the 1z do. It's similar to comparing what Stevie Smith does in the 83 vs. the 51. Why did Lucas get to start 10th after blowing up in his heat? Ummm, he was QUICK TIME. That might be why, just maybe. Had it of been a WoO show, he'd have started a few spots better. Finally, Dale Blaney would have been top 3, worst case, if he ran PA speedweek, might have easily won it. That said, am I wrong, or has he been running with the All-Stars the last 10+ years? How many championships did he win, 5-6 by now? How many ASCoC races has he won at Lincoln, Port, or Williams Grove for the 6-8 races a year they ran every year, during that time? About 4 less than he won during 2014 Ohio Speedweek..
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Thank you. Saved me a lot of typing. I'll return the favor some day.
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Posted By: SpcJay on July 07 2014 at 11:50:12 AM
Did Lucas earn it Sunday at Selinsgrove, yes...but when you don't even transfer out of your heat because of a blown motor, how is it that you manage to start 10th? This is one instance where a less than full field and a stupid time trial system allowed Lucas to win the title. Kudos to the guys for repairing the car after the crash and then the motor issues..but in no way should have he been starting that high.
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Them is the rules though. Do the rules seem kinda crazy? Yeah alittle, but everybody is playing with the same deck of cards so to speak. It definately created some drama and made the feature that much more fun to watch too. And lastly how many times would some crazy like that happen where the fast time guy not only trashes his car in the same night and get its back together but blows a motor in his heat race? It was just one of those deals where the situation worked out the way it did. Had there been more cars he would have had to run the B main and at least transfer there.
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Posted By: LatshPA on July 07 2014 at 05:54:35 PM
Very few drivers run all of the speedweek shows anymore, unless their in the hunt for the championship, especially now. The days of Harz, Hamilton, Keen, Beam, Kline, Stewart, Leach, Trone, Swope, Weikert, etc are over in this economy as car owners and all of those owners had fielded cars in the last 10-12 years. Zero do now. Combine that with the changing of the guard so to speak with Shaffer, Rahmer, Kauffman, and others retiring recently and you could say the Posse is down right now. As for Brady Bacon leaving after Thursday, the guy he finished directly behind in Speedweek points ran just as many races and managed to finish ahead of him. Some nobody local from PA. Brady Bacon won a lot of fans in PA while he was here though, we all hope he makes it back. Winning at Path Valley seemed like a pretty big deal to him, but that was just his words, I hope he knows how little he accomplished in the eyes of the hosehead experts. On to Lucas Wolfe. I wouldn't exactly compare what the 5w and the 1z do. It's similar to comparing what Stevie Smith does in the 83 vs. the 51. Why did Lucas get to start 10th after blowing up in his heat? Ummm, he was QUICK TIME. That might be why, just maybe. Had it of been a WoO show, he'd have started a few spots better. Finally, Dale Blaney would have been top 3, worst case, if he ran PA speedweek, might have easily won it. That said, am I wrong, or has he been running with the All-Stars the last 10+ years? How many championships did he win, 5-6 by now? How many ASCoC races has he won at Lincoln, Port, or Williams Grove for the 6-8 races a year they ran every year, during that time? About 4 less than he won during 2014 Ohio Speedweek..
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I believe I did mention that PA Speedweek is nothing like what it used to be.
Everything about Bacon doesn't really apply to what I said because I wasn't knocking him one bit.
As for Wolfe, I wasn't knocking him either. I'm confident he will continue to shine for many years, and if he stays racing in PA, he'll win several more Speedweeks.
Blaney (and the ASCoC in general) hasn't had much success east of the border as far as notching wins, but take those same races at Lincoln, Port Royal, and Williams Grove, and let me know how many top fives Blaney has had. Hardly anything to scoff at for the four-time All Star champ. The guy is the class of the field in Ohio and is a threat to win anywhere that team unloads. He's also one of the smartest, most tactical drivers in the country. He sees things two laps before they happen. It's quite ridiculous to downplay him and the 14k team.
Curious though, what's that same statistic (wins as the "away" team) look like if you consider how many All Star sanctioned races a Posse driver has won in the state of Ohio lately?
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How many races have you seen in Ohio and Pennsylvania combined? That is the million dollar question...I'm going with under 10. If you're going to hate on the Posse, at least be knowledgable...
"If he ran PA Speedweek, he might have easily won it." Far from downplaying my friend.
Stevie Smith won Ohio Speedweek in 2009 and 2012. He can go anywhere and win, just like Dave Blaney can and he showed that with his win at Hagerstown last year and by leading at Port this past Saturday.
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Posted By: jsimp96 on July 08 2014 at 06:01:04 AM
I believe I did mention that PA Speedweek is nothing like what it used to be.
Everything about Bacon doesn't really apply to what I said because I wasn't knocking him one bit.
As for Wolfe, I wasn't knocking him either. I'm confident he will continue to shine for many years, and if he stays racing in PA, he'll win several more Speedweeks.
Blaney (and the ASCoC in general) hasn't had much success east of the border as far as notching wins, but take those same races at Lincoln, Port Royal, and Williams Grove, and let me know how many top fives Blaney has had. Hardly anything to scoff at for the four-time All Star champ. The guy is the class of the field in Ohio and is a threat to win anywhere that team unloads. He's also one of the smartest, most tactical drivers in the country. He sees things two laps before they happen. It's quite ridiculous to downplay him and the 14k team.
Curious though, what's that same statistic (wins as the "away" team) look like if you consider how many All Star sanctioned races a Posse driver has won in the state of Ohio lately?
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My first post was a response to several things I read, not just you, although you clearly took offense. Please re-read what I wrote about Dale Blaney and show me how I downplayed him? What are you mad at, that he could easily win speed week, or that he hasn't won an All-Star race here? Both are truthful, nothing more meant by it. When's the last time a PA regular didn't win The Eastern All-Star championship? That should explain how they've all faired at different tracks against each other. I know to Hoseheads, Stevie Smith wasn't born in PA, wasnt raIsed in PA, didnt cut his teeth in PA, and doesnt run the majority of his races in PA now...but, he had had some success in Ohio recently. Pretty sure Alan Krimes turned some heads last year too... In another thread I mentioned how Ohio is "defending their turf" better than PA this year. Sorry, but I'm not a blind homer, I follow other sport nationwide. Doesn't mean I'm not proud of the teams that put on a show for fans here every week from February to November. It's ok to have a little pride. That's all.
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I understand why Lucas started 10th and as I said, I commended him and the team for overcoming the obstacles prsented to get the car back out and running. But the fact is, he didn't even transfer. There essentially was no B main, because it was not even needed. So he got the 10th starting spot just for being able to get the car back and running. The fact that he didn't finish, he should have had to forfeit his time and should have started in the back. If he was able to come through, then so be it, but it just seems kind of wrong to me.
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Just seemed as if you were saying Blaney is incapable of winning an All Star race in central Pennsylvania. The fact that he has been unable to doesn't mean that he is incapable of it. But I see that you understand that. I just felt as if you might be taking a shot at Blaney by saying that.
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