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And here is why.  On a night when they run 3 heats only alls the top 5 qualifiers from time-trials have to do is just basically ride around.  They can even fall back to 6th place and they still have a good chance to start on the front row of the dash.  Yes, they can go backwards in their heat race and suffer no ill effects.  The same rule applies the night they have 4 heat races.  The top 4 can basically just ride around and finish in the top 5 and have a chance of starting on the pole of the dash.  They can literally pass zero cars all night long and win the feature.  I thought the Outlaws were trying to promote better racing?  This format does nothing to make the guys have to do any "racing" until A-main time.  Now they added the new twist this past Wednesday night that if they run 5 heats they have a 10 car dash.  What does this get us?  This gets the top 5 fastest qualifiers transferring to the dash by simply running top 4. (Wow, they have to at least hold their own)  It just doesn't promote racing in my opinion.  If they are going to still give out bonus points for qualifying then they need to eliminate the zero pill for the inversion draw.  I actually liked the old format from last year much better than this years boring format.  Either keep the qualifying bonus points and eliminate the zero pill or keep the zero pill and eliminate the bonus points.   Also, on the nights they run 3 heats and 4 heats make the fast qualifiers run at least in the top 4 positions to qualify for the dash.  Make them do some kind of racing!  These are just my thoughts and opinions and know I will probably get insulted for throwing this out there.  I know it has been talked about before, but if I am going to plop down a ton of money to go see these guys then please make these guys have to race every time they hit the track.

Your  opinion  is well taken , the problem is  the  great  WRG  OR WoO  doesn't listen to fans  , they do what  they  want , but do listen to drivers  not fans . Only  way  they listen if attendance  were to drop off  , but that won't happen because  most  fans think   that  there   form of racing  is great .It   isn't , but  the new fans of today  like  the high  speeds  , no passing , winning from first three  rows ,  and the fact that  they race  against  the local  drivers who they want  to see  beat  the famous  WoO touring band . These   races  are  the promoters  dream to push there  profits  to higher status  or show a profit  for the year . Central Pa  is fortunate that don't  really need  the  WoO  , BUT DO NEED THE PURSES to pay the bills   which they  know  the drivers need to sustain the high costs of  racing  .There  is no  creativity  among  local or WRG management , just  the fact the fans  support  there brand  of racing  CALLED WoO .

The guys that start on the poles of the heats can also win the feature by not passing a car all night and only timing in the 13-16 range, due to the invert. There is no perfect format but at least they are rewarding heat winners and the guys that timed well. I think that's fair. Maybe they should add 2 dash spots to the drivers who pass the most cars to qualify in their heat race. That would give the guys who go out late in TT's a realistic chance of racing their way into the dash.                   

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I personally don't like any format that includes time trials.    Say what you want though, the format they're using has produced 12 different winners and noone is clearly dominating the series.   No format is ever going to be perfect, but I'd rather have this kind of competition than having one driver win the championship every year like we had in the past.  

Good stuff!!! 

personally i think that they should only take the top 2 of each heat and the 2 who passed the most cars and take those to the dash and completely drop the invert for the feature, this would force the high qualifiers to actually earn their spot in the dash/feature

ASCS format ring a bell for any of us?  passing points...

Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

NWFAN SAYS, "ASCS format ring a bell for any of us?  passing points..".

I have been clamoring for passing points for years!!!!!!!

 
I LEARNED ESP FROM MY MOM

"PUT YOUR SWEATER ON: DON'T YOU THINK I KNOW WHEN 
YOU'RE COLD?"

No specific suggestions, but I favor any format that emphasizes racing over qualifying

Also you could narrow the top wing and put driver back IN the car, there too locked down and need to do something.

nobody cares though and as long as we go they will do what they want and we will just have to drink more at the track to tolerate the way it is, or go no wing and see a race

Your  right dirtlover  , but they  will not change  the WoO   rules as long the drivers  , like it that way  ,the crowds keep coming and the  WRG management  likes it the way it is . I too like wingless   racing  cause the drivers  have to drive  a freed up car . But  i think the drivers like the  locked  down cars the way they are .

Of course, most drivers will always favor what makes the car faster and most comfortable to drive regardless of whether that mkes the raciung less exciting for the fans, or even puts them at a disadvantage to the higher dollar teams.

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WoO format is what it is.  ASCS format is what it is.  Is any format ideal, perfect, pleasing to everyone...drivers, fans, owners, sponsors....probably not.  Last year I had the opportunity to travel up to Oklahoma and enjoy an OCRS sprint car race.  Go to their web site.  Oil Capital Racing Series. Click on rules, go to page 2.  Section XIV Format.  Found that interesting and entertaining.  Inverting the top 12 feature qualifiers based on average past feature points.  Again, found it interesting and entertaining.  Just saying.

Opnwhlr--i know you and I have chimed in on this many times and I agree with you.   And, add another twist--no time trials--2 heats for each driver.  Random draw from a hat.  You get 10 points to win your heat(s), 9 points for 2nd, 8 for third.....and so on.  Then, you get an additional point for each car you pass and a negative point for each position you lose from the start.  Add the points up for all the heats and bingo.  If you want to have a dash, have a draw every night to invert 4, 6, 8 or 10 drivers (after the heats)--let em run again--same points format as the heats.  Throw 'em in order according to points for the night.  Are there going to be nights that someone gets screwed?  Sure, but there is no format that this will not happen.  This would be the most exciting and fair format possible.  I dont know the ASCS exact format--is it similar?

People keep saying the promoters or sanctions do not listen to the fans. Well look at threads like this. How many different opinions on what the format should be. No matter what they do there will always be fans who complain about it. They can't use 15 different formats to satisfy everyone.

No argument with that--no way to keep everyone happy.  The World of Outlaws doesn't NEED to do anything since they are filling the stands to capacity or near capacity every night.  The overwhelming response from the fans though--get rid of single car qualifying--I would bet less than 20% like it--just numbers i pulled from the sky, but it seems like 8 of 10 i talk to dislike it.  But, you are right.  There are 100 different opinions on qualifying, restarts, fuel stops, provisionals, etc., etc.--impossible to keep everyone pleased. 

I really dont know what there is to complain about. The format has produced 13 winners in 24 Races, and the top 5 in points are under a blanket. The fact of the matter is, the Outlaws run 95 Races, it should be up to the drivers and owners how the format works out. I like the fact that they have messed with it two or three times trying to make it right without major changes. The different formats around the country are what sets different areas apart, and thats the way it should be. I just cant believe how many people have nothing better to do than bitch about a format with all the different winners, a couple first time winners and really awesome Racing everywhere they have been. 

Also the fact of the matter is, if you are fast it shouldnt matter where you start. 30-40 Laps is plenty of time to get by the cars that are so called undeserving of starting up front.

I agree but just scrap the dash completely. Line the A straight up by points earned in your two heats. The guy who finished the highest and passed the most cars has earned their spot on the pole in my opinion. Top 20 in points to the A the rest to the B lined straight up by points. Point tie breaker: 1 Passing points, 2 finishing points, 3 Pill Draw #.

There are  some good ideas here  , yours included  , but the bottom line is  no change  because  the   drivers like it , and  we continue to  pack  the grandstands . So they think the fans are happy with the present format  , or WRG  DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOU  JUST  YOUR MONEY .