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new poster here just wanted to find out if anyone heard anything about this wether true or not.  I have heard from a friend of mine who works on a team racing with the outlaws that they are going to a different format for the dash.  He told me they are going to a 6 car dash with only the heat winners and the next 2 fastest qualifying cars that dont win their heat.  I was against this idea until he explained the reasoning.  I guess the idea is to try to not screw the teams qualify around 3rd to 8th.  This new format will make it so if these cars do not win the heat they will no longer have to drop all the way to 15th in the lineup and start 7-10th.  Also it should provide us fans more intense racing in the heats as drivers will no longer be settling for second in the heats and forcing them to race harder for the win.  I suppose this will also help from all the teams that qualify 9th -16th and make the dash which i personally disagree with. 

Why can't they just scrap the dash? 

They put so much emphasis on qualifying then punish the people that do qualify good and reward the guys that don't with pole positions and outside front row heat starts and bury the fast guys in the invert for a lousy 8 lap follow the leader heat race. why not qualify and start them straight up according to times in the a if they transfer......ohhhh wait a minute they did that and kinser and swindell kicked to much ass that way and this wY the way they do it now lets other people win thats what it is.... I answered my own question damn

The WoO inverts 4 in the heats. That means the fastest 2 qualifiers in eash heat start in the SECOND ROW. So you consider starting in the second row to be buried in the invert? 

realistically the second row in a heat is pretty close to stepping off the transfer on a restart or start IMO. a stumble or glitch can put you in trouble immediatly.. Im not for putting he fast qualifiers up front,but, some incentive has to be displayed, and for drivers racing for championchip will run for the extra points nor am I a complete fan of passing points, we utilize passing points locally , but honestly it avoids some runaways, Im not sure what the answer is , the product of the show makes a huge differance on the track size. thus a organized qualifying order will aid/lack from one track to the next.. undecided..

I think the casual fans out there would be highly surprised how many times qualifiers 9-16make the dash every night and then 1-2 finish the field leaving qualifiers 3-8 to start 11-15th in main.   This is especially true in areas with good local fields such as pa, knoxville, and cali

The Dash Draw is the only way the WRG can fix the races. Ok... they can also fix the qualifying order, but it seams like they give one of their guys the best starting spots in the dash as they can, all the time.

Remember last year when they asked the kid what he thought about drawing a 6 durring the draw interview. The kid said "they were all #6"(when he looked in at them). They knew they were cought at that point.

When money is on the line... they want one of their guys to win it, not a local.

Why is it a problem for a guy to qualify 1st and win the feature cause he starts on the pole? If somebody is faster then step up and beat the quick timer and race if not the fastest car won?

the dash is pointless and I bet the owners love it when guys blow motors in stupid follow the leader dashes for 6 laps 

they want emphasis on qualifying but the emphasis is to master sandbagging to start on the front of the no passing heats at eldora anyways there is nothing but no passing in those heats. at eldora they all want to qualify 9 through 16  for front row spots cause of no passing

the point is punishing fast guys on follow the leader racetracks is a tough road, lts better on the more racey tracks out there where there's better racing and passing happens a lot more. Too many races are won off the front row at Eldora anyway

I don't know what you were watching, but the kings royal had plenty of passing both nights last year, all night long.  And for those who say the WRG pull draw is fixed and they always put their cars up front, explain the natty open last year.  Buckwalter and Dietrich front row one night, Buckwalter Rahmer the second 

5 out of the 6 heats were won off the front row

And sweet won the a off the front row

Nonsense. The woo wants locals to do well, they promote most of the shows in Cali themselves, they want a strong local presence to raise attendence. 

Considering that the heats are usually locked down, hold your breath affairs....Yes, the 2nd row is more often than not burried... I've said it before.....Sprint Car and Midget racing are the only forms of motorsport where the fastest cars are penalized...

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Dirtlover, the thing I don't get with your statement is in 1 sentence your complaining about follow the leader racing and then in your next sentence your saying you'd rather watch follow the leader racing than have an invert of the heats. What I think is that there isn't a right or wrong answer to this argument, each way has its plus's and minus's and the WoO have been doing this long enough that through trial and error over the years they use the format they believe puts on the best show for the fans... The best show for the fans is, at the end of the day, what they want because they want you to come back. Will the show always be great? Absolutely not, I've seen lots of follow the leader races and by no means just at Outlaw shows, but I've also saw lots of great racing as well. The solution is actually up to you the viewer, if you don't like the format, don't attend their shows and if enough people start doing that they will change things.

As far as the story about the kid saying "there all 6's". I'm not sure how you could prove to me that actually happened because honestly, I don't believe it did. Sounds like an Urban legend that starts spreading and the person telling the story wasn't the 1 there, it was always a friend of a friend. The story I can think of like that is the story in everyones area that the local game warden was checking some guys fish limit and the guys stuck one of the fish in a very uncomfortable place. If you think about WRG fixing the draw it just doesn't make sense why they would do that and risk that if they are caught there goes all credibility with fans, for what? so they can have 1 Outlaw driver start a row or 2 further up. It just doesn't make sense to me, the risk just way out weighs the reward. And if there point is to fix the race so their Full-time guy takes home the money they need to work harder cause the last couple of years theres been alot of different winners. I'm on this site quite abit and I don't remember any thread about this last year and it seems like if there was actually documented truth to this it would have been a pretty hot topic. Can you tell us what race it was at? were you there? DV broadcasts the whole pill draw so I would have to believe that this would be audio recorded and could be dug up? I ask this because thats a pretty strong accusation to make.

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That is absurd. I'm by no means a shill for the WRG, but they prefer a local to win in some cases. It puts butts in the seats the next time they roll through the region. The guys in this organization are like any other sport, they secretly root for the best stories that will line their pockets.

It really does not matter what format they run at any track because people are going to complain about it no matter what. Everyone thinks that their idea is the best idea. Those who like the current format will hate the new format and vise versa so no one is really going to be happy. Every Outlaw race I went to seemed like no one had any trouble passing in the heat races or the feature. I think too much emphasis gets put on someone winning from the front row and the lack of passes for the lead which has been a common theme ever since Sprint Car racing has been around. Well most races are 30-40laps at about 15seconds or less a lap. Not a lot of time for everybody to have there shot at the lead. It isnt Daytona or Talladega where you have 4lead changes in 1lap.

I'll continue to beat my drum.  PASSING POINTS!!!!!!!!

 
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WTF ? Some other BOZO mentioned dropping time trials all together and making everybody draw for starting positions, and now you suggest we drop the dash !!!  Hot laps , heat races, B main Amain . Done !! Go home thanks for your money. Next you same people will be bitching that you didnt get your moneys worth!!  Im going to the races to see races. Guess what .... I want to see as many races as i possibly can. Why on earth would u ever suggest fewer races ?

Outlaws and Allstars used to just invert the the top 6 which as what usually happens in the dash, the difference is the fast guys get punished and then told will give you 6 laps to get back on the pole and if you can't well sorry it's our series our rules,I am glad you want to see as many races as you can but please tell me honestly what racing  you see in a 6 lap  dash?????????????? None of this matters anyway and I don't want to argue about all of us watching cars race in a circle  for $35.00 admission fee. It's a tiny little group in the world that really cares about sprint cars and even know what they are I just happen to be apart of the tiny group . it's wrg and they can do what they want cause no matter what I say or you say there going to do what they want .  I am not a bozo and neither is the other guy your referring to so unless this is where you want to be when Jesus comes back...... Name calling and getting angry  over cars going in circles

I greatly appreciate ur concern with ny relationship with Jesus.  We've been talking about some things I need to work on in my life to b a better person but so far calling u a BOZO hasn't come up yet. And who said I was angry?