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This has been beaten to death already.  But, weirdly enough ... in my opionion your charts seem to support Pittman as the rightfull champion.  Although less wins, he appears more consistent with higher placing finishes.

In life there are lies, damn lies, and statistics...

I haven't heard this stat that I feel is WAY more important than TT points;

Schatz used 2 provisionals (which means he missed the feature)

Daryn Pittman used NO provisionals.

I could be wrong but I think this stat is correct. If you use a provisional you should get NO points in my opinion.

Couple of things:

Outlaws website says Schatz has 23 wins...

Pittman won by 14 points which means Schatz lost by 36.  That is 36 points over the 74 races finished equals less than .5 points per show Schatz "outperformed" Pittman.  That says they were pretty equal on the track outside of qualifying.  Now I did only use the QT points of 5 per QT and not the points for 2-5 in qualifying, don't have the time to make the graph at the moment... 

So my question is, if Schatz wins by 1 point does anyone care that Pittman lost by 1 point having set QT much more often than Schatz?

I don't think the points need an overhaul, McMahon was 322 point behind Schatz.  We should celebrate the fact that Pittman and Schatz both had GREAT years at the same time.  WE as fans won!

DA

Not using a provisional the entire season is rare. Had to of been fast and passing every race.

Didnt Stewart beat Herrera by one point for the ASCS championship a few years ago ? 

@champphotos you're right, 23 wins, good catch. Also I agree it was great racing and the fans won.

If racer A qualified 6th every night, then won every feature, 
and racer B qualified 1st every night, then got 2nd in every feature,
racer B would win the championship. 

That's why I think the points structure needs a slight tweak. 

I don't need a chart to prove that Pittman deserved the championship.  How points are awarded was made clear for all drivers and teams at the beginning of the year and thats how they were tallied.  I don't see what the problem is.  ?

Now, I do think that wins should always be weighted more than they are in almost any racing points circuit.  But that is a different story.  Whether or not Pittman deserved to win the championship has already been answered--Yes--because they tallied the points and he had the most.   

I think your charts clearly show who had the most consistent season--and until they stop awarding consistency and start awarding wins, this kind of chart will win it again in the future.

And, as for the provisional thing, those have been around for years in all types of racing.  Doesn't bug me.   JMO

Good chart though.

I would have no problem with seeing them eliminate time trial points altogether... but if they do they better quit doing a heatrace invert, or you will have an entire field of travelers purposely trying to qualify 12-16th quick....would be tough for JG to ever get to scream NEEEEEW TRACK RECOOOOORD under that format.

Loose is when you hit the wall with the rear of the
car, tight is when you hit the wall with the front of
the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and
torque is how far you move the wall.

The Knoxville Nationals are to heavily weighed on qualifying, and the Trophy cup had a couple of the best drivers in the state in the D because of late qualifying. I am more of a fan of no qualyifying, points awarded on two heat races each with passing points. 

And let the quick time car have the same chance of starting on the front of the dash as everyone else.  Every night Pittman was first or second in time trials he was guaranteed of NOT starting on the front of the dash.  If you look at all the results Schatz actually ended up starting on the front of the dash more times than Pittman did.  As long as they're going to penalize the quicker times in the lineups they HAVE to give some other reward.  The ones who get really screwed are times 6-8.  They get no bonus qualifying points but still have to start behind slower times and pass them to even make the dash.  How "fair" is that!  I'd be for giving those three cars 1 point too if they're going to continue the current system.