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here is the fix to the whole problem

1. eliminate the big teams (impossible)

2. 0ne way comunication like in sprints and most local tracks  old pit boards are legal

eliminate the chase  leave the pts system alone eliminating the the comunication would change alot

NASCAR has mirrors in cars, spotters, planned pit stops, and two-way radios. Our beloved sprint car racing has none of those. And, we have very few teams with multiple cars. I doubt we'll ever have much conversation about sandbagging in sprint car racing.

This fiasco has many ramifications for NASCAR, in my opinion.
  1. It causes fans to question the validity of the competition between racers and teams.

  2. It causes questions about the integrity of their "chase" system.

  3. This may ultimately have an impact with sponsors.

I just heard that this stuff has been going on for years. I'm not surprised but disappointed. I am sick of hearing about this. Since my home track, Knoxville, is done for the year. I'm glad I have football to fill my weekends. I won't be paying as much attention to NASCAR in the future as in the past. They're turning into a joke and they can only blame themselves.

I thought that the integrity should have been questioned when they first started the chase.  I think it is crap, and I have lost a lot of enthusiasm for NASCAR because of it.  Kenseth won the title the last year before the chase and was a real big reason they switched to it.  They thought that viewers would be turned off by him having a 300, 400 point lead, basically insurmountable.  I say, too freaking bad for the other drivers, get better or come in second in the points, over two complete races behind in points.  Now, it's just who can parlay LUCK, bribes, spins into a top finish.  And that was to just get IN the chase.  Bad, just bad.....

+1

If the points were the old way. Smoke would have 4 (not3) championships, but not the 2011 cup. Jimmy Johnson would only have 2 (not5), Kyle bush would have 1, Carl Edwards would have 1 and Gordon would have 5(not 4).

The Chace Championships would go down as a fluke if they change it back.

And all the championships would have all been earned.  Not this crap of finishing good, basically just testing for the final 10 races.

Yes indeed, imagine it were Earnhardt and not Jeff Gordon that got screwed(or Newman had he been screwed over), we'd have another new rule in napscar, another in the long line of Earnhardt rules.  You can bet he'd be in the countdown.  Their money boys, the golden boy who sells lots of t shirts and tickets due to daddy's name. 

 Lawlessness and liberalism equals Hell.  NY City, 
Detroit, Seattle, Chicago, Minnepolis, etc. We saw it. 
Burning hundreds of buildings, a thousand assaults and 
dozens of murders. Getting worser and worser.

I think they know that they were safe as far as JR getting that close.  Either way, the chase plain out SUCKS, and NASCAR deserves to have it's ass handed to them in a hand basket.  Negative pub is still pub, so they don't really care.  If I were them, I'd START worrying tho, the grandstands are nowhere near 1/2 full.   If there are many like me, there are a lot of people choosing NOT to attend because of this farce called the chase.  JM2CW

dump the chase.....agreed.  real men race to the championship do they not?

Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

NASCAR lost it's integrity when the France family started giving more attention to the Golden Goose (TV) than racing.

Look at all the mistakes NASCAR has made in the past 15 years.

1. The "Chase"

2. Car of Tomorrow- you might as well put all the parts in a box and have teams select components.

3 New tracks in new markets

4. Chasing Yuppies and ignoring thier bread and butter core fans.

5 Dumping older tracks like Rockingham, Hickory and North Wilkesboro.

Screw NASCAR, they are getting what they deserve!

Nothing bigger than a 3 quarter mile track period. No radios. Then they might get me to a track to watch a race.

We need more sprint car racing at our home track.

Are you sure on your math?  I thought Gordon would actually have 6.  I am not calling you a liar--maybe I thought wrong.

I couldn't agree more with this post..In NASCAR"S defense, they just took off running with the huge popularity of the sport, racing at new tracks, new TV deals.  They got caught with their pants down as a lot of companies have, and are paying for it.  Loss of fan base, we can't afford to go to the races, etc....TV deals are up, so they don't miss the average Joe not coming to the race.  All in all, I think it will hurt them in the long run, as it took a real long time to build up to what they had, but the chase and other reasons mentioned above will end up hurting them, more than helping.  They need to change a lot of things and take a lot of the 'corporate way' out of it.  I can afford to go to a race or two a year, but I choose not to.  Why?  the quality of the racing is crap, kind of like, (and I will rankle some feathers here) some Sprint Car races where it is nothing but follow the leader.  Same thing, but only there is dust and the race doesn't last 4 hours.  I can see that from home and fast forward to exciting parts.  I think that if it wasn't for the DVR, NASCARS fan base would be even smaller because people are tired of the Jimmie Johnson suck fest, I know I am.  

I do not know for sure, but I heard that somewhere also.  I know if the season would have run out without the chase the first year they used it, he would have won the championship.  There may have been another one in there somewhere.  

Radios,mirrors.spotters,acting classes,glamor shots,and scripts make it sound like its not real anymore but Jeff Hammond said it best on a racing segment  that He has been involved for 30 years and things havent changed much.They also stated they thought pro wrestling might not be real.It is funny that the more money involved the worse things become.

Acually Karma is a Bitch! Last year Gordon Weacks Bowyer on purpose an admits it. Which all but eliminated Bowyer from winning the championship and could have help Johnson win it - Who we all know is Gordon's team mate and Gordon ownes half his car. So from Bowyers point of veiw knocking Gordon out of the Chase has to be a big  bonus!

And with Gordon being out of the chase, quite possibly because of the Boyer spin, I would not be a bit surprised if there is a little extra extracurricular activity between these two in the coming 10 races.  Gordon has nothing to lose except pocket money.......I'd love to see it.

the spin didn't put gordon out. and with the evidence of the deal between the 22 and 38 it looks like gordon was going to be out even if the 55 didn't pit. the 22 and 38 were making a deal to get the 22 the point that would have bumped gordon out even before the 15 spun.

nascar screwed up by even handing down a penalty to the 55 as teams have used team cars to help other team cars for ever.

everyone is making a big deal about something that has been going on since the beginning of the sport.

and now we have two other teams doing the same thing as the 55 did and i haven't heard anything being done about it.

to indy and beyond!!

I understand that the spin itself did not take Gordon out, but if you really think about it, it may certainly have.  IF, and that is a big if, the spin didn't happen, and the cars all stayed where they were, he would have been in, because the other cars were in no position to gain on the cars in front of them, as they did after the spin and caution.   No one knows for sure, but if you look at it that way, it may be 99% of the reason that Gordon is out.  JMO  and I know this can be looked at a million ways, I'm just sayin'.....lol

if the spin didn't happen gordon would have been out because penske and front row were already orchestrating the deal to let the 22 pass the 38 and that would have happened no matter what.

the spin didn't do anything to gordon and it didn't do anything to newman except give his team the chance to blow their chance to win the race.....and they did.

now nascar has just went and stuck its dick in the dirt even further by not penalizing the 22 and 38 for doing the same thing they threw the book at MWR for.

what a joke.

i thought at the beginning that nascar had no business sticking its nose into this because anything they did was going to set an example that they would not be able to continue in the future. every time a car lets another car lead a lap to get a point, it could be said they were manipulating things. every time a team car let another team car gain a position it would be the same thing.

now nascar has had 3 companies do basically the same thing and two of them got nothing done to them while the third had their whole company penalized.

to indy and beyond!!