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i dont know if my dad can beat your dad up, but mspn ,the posse did pretty well at port royal against the inlaws till wood broke thru and won.not to burst anyones bubble but the posse is at least 50% at the port.

...I have a question for the panel...Brian Paulus ???...originally from Pa...drives a car now based in Ohio (I believe he also lives near Dayton)...former full time World of Outlaws driver...Williams Grove Speedway track record holder...is currently running for All Star Circuit of Champions Rookie of the Year...has won non-sanctioned, local races at Williams Grove...has won World of Outlaw races in Michigan, Texas, New York, and North & South Dakota...all on Hoosier tires...WTF is he ???

...don't get me started on Kenny Jacobs...

Speaking of PA possies (sic)...

How 'bout them Phillies, 10,000+ losses and counting!

"As long as I can have a fast boat, a margarita 
machine and can light my hair on fire, I'll be just 
fine."

Jason Giambi

Beat it hosebag...

Member of this message board since 1997

WTF, OKC? A guy who has never even seen a single race here posting that PA racing can't be better than Ohio and is not as good as California and Indiana. If you would have actually seen racing in all those states, then I could accept your opinion as having some validity. How many of those places have you actually been to?

Instead of just posting in every single one of these PA threads, why don't you actually schedule a trip here next year and at least then you would be able to make a fair assessment about whether the racing is great, awful or somewhere in between?

MSPN, In addition, to Sean Michael, I remember Billy Pauch being very competitive at the Nationals in the Zemco car. Pretty sure Pauch did not finish in the top 10 in the Nationals, but I know for certain he qualified in the middle of the Saturday night A each of the first two times he went to the Nationals with Zemco.

Not bad for a guy who was a part time Sprint Car driver. LOL. Pauch's third year at Knoxville with Zemco was when he broke his arm after being hit by a piece of debris during hot laps on his qualifying night.

Mike, you always mention Rahmer at Knoxville. Even after winning there two years in a row, you dismiss the wins as flukes. But you never mention Skip Jackson coming to PA. The guy was the Knoxville Raceway track champion and abandoned defense of that title to take a ride in central Pennsylvania. He was barely competitive in PA and was back at Knoxville the following year.

im not so sure he ever won an A main here, but i saw him crash out of the lead once during a daytime race.

he did race at the Grove last week...but where were the rest of the Allstars?

we know it is cherry season...

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

March 8, 1991 - San Jose, CA - Craig Keel

September 22, 1995 - Santa Maria, CA - Keith Kauffman

Man, I can't wait to see the spin on this one...

Member of this message board since 1997

September 17, 1982 - Santa Maria, CA - Jack Hewitt

September 15, 1984 - Santa Maria, CA - Brad Doty

"As long as I can have a fast boat, a margarita 
machine and can light my hair on fire, I'll be just 
fine."

Jason Giambi

1982, Hewitt was running for WoO points. Same thing with Doty in 1984. Not so With Keel and Kauffman in the wins I noted above.

Member of this message board since 1997

1991 World of Outlaws Copenhagen-Skoal Shootout Sprint Car Series
San Jose Fair Speedway, San Jose, California
Friday, March 8th, Preliminary Feature

Autolite Pacesetter Qualifications:
1. Danny Olmstead, Olmstead 11D, 14.746; 2. Steve Kinser, Kinser 11, 14.796; 3. Ronnie Day, Berry 7, 14.905; 4. Craig Keel, Campbell-Keel 4, 14.995; 5. Rod Spencer, Spencer 22, 14.998; 6. Rick Martin, Martin 44, 15.011; 7. Dave Blaney, Chupp 7C, 15.107; 8. Mark Kinser, Williams 5M, 15.140; 9. Steve Beitler, Moore 21, 15.174; 10. Brent Kaeding, Miller 69, 15.194; 11. Johnny Herrera, Powell 32U, 15.270; 12. Scott Luhdorff, Williams 11X, 15.366; 13. Keith Kauffman, Saucier 20, 15.379; 14. Paul McMahan, Mike Hasebe 2, 15.385; 15. Jason McMillen, McMillen 21M, 15.396; 16. Terry McCarl, Offill 88, 15.430; 17. Jimmy Carr, Carr 65, 15.436; 18. Nick Rescino Jr., Rescino 3R, 15.439; 19. Randi Tiner, Tiner 83, 15.440; 20. Joe Gaerte, Wimmer 7TW, 15.454; 21. Chuck Miller, Danell-DeHart 5, 15.464; 22. Steve Kent, Dias Chevy 2X, 15.500; 23. Stevie Smith, Hamilton 77, 15.528; 24. Bobby Davis Jr., Luna 10, 15.545; 25. Rich Voss, Voss 35, 15.589; 26. Roger Hamilton, Hamilton-Koziar 21L, 15.686; 27. Gary Edson, Edson 76E, 15.689; 28. Darrell Hanestad, Bailey 17, 15.689; 29. Mike Manthey, Manthey 21X, 15.705; 30. Jimmy Sills, Bob Consani 4C, 15.732; 31. John Golobic, Golobic 57, 15.748; 32. Greg Brown, Al Collis 44B, 15.768; 33. Tim Green, Owen 14, 15.772; 34. Bob Cooney, Cooney 85, 15.812; 35. Jason Statler, Statler 00, 15.812; 36. Danny Lasoski, VonSchlritz 121, 15.866; 37. Mark Chaves, Chaves 5L, 15.883; 38. Jerry Bonnema, Bonnema 58, 15.917; 39. Kevin Pylant, Pylant 14P, 15.965; 40. Howard Kaeding, Kaeding 69H, 15.993; 41. Dwayne Larson, Larson 10L, 16.052; 42. Pat Rose, Rose 6, 16.059; 43. Eric Rossi, Rossi 4R, 16.062; 44. Toni Lutar, Lutar 16, 16.068; 45. Bobby McMahan, Filipich 98X, 16.072; 46. Gene Manhire, Manhire 3M, 16.078; 47. Jac Haudenschild, Don Snow 4H, 16.106; 48. Randy Hannagan, Hannagan 1X, 16.222; 49. Earl Stanton, Stanton 71, 16.279; 50. Bobby Allen, Allen 1A, 16.293; 51. Rick Downey, Downey 29, 16.304; 52. Richard Zimmerman, Zimmerman 069, 16.385; 53. Greg DeCaires, Gillespie-Starr 18, 16.367; 54. Lenny Boles, Boles 2N, 16.397; 55. John Wycoff, Wycoff 88C, 16.427; 56. Gary Willey, Willey 76MC, 16.455; 57. Mark Sargent, Sargent 14X,16.707; 58. Charlie Caracillo, Caracillo 87, 16.769; 59. Johnny Key, Key 24, 16.796; 60. Randy Zimmerman, Zimmerman 169, 16.815; 61. Nick Ringo Jr., Ringo 96, 17.035; 62. Tom Doherty, Doherty 66, 17.136; 63. Marvin Mitchell, Mitchell 68, 17.660; 64. Rich Kroll, Kroll 87K, 17.796; 65. Keith Nafzger, Nafzger 33, 17.823; 66. Ivan Worden, Worden 63, 18.898; 67. Pat Sealy, Pat Sealy 7X, No Time.

First Non-Qualifiers Race (6 Laps)
1. Greg DeCaires, 2. Earl Stanton, 3. John Wycoff $20; 4. Rick Downey $20; 5. Keith Nafzger $20; 6. Johnny Key $20; 7. Nick Ringo Jr. $20; 8. Marvin Mitchell $20

Second Non-Qualifiers Race
1. Lenny Boles, 2. Gary Willey, 3. Ivan Worden $20; 4. Pat Sealy $20; 5. Tom Doherty $20; 6. Rich Kroll $20; 7. Randy Zimmerman $20; 8. Richard Zimmerman $20; 9. Charlie Caracillo $20.

Bar’s Leaks Heat Race (8 Laps)
1. Keith Kauffman, 2. Chuck Miller, 3. Danny Olmstead, 4. Jimmy Carr, 5. Steve Beitler, 6. Mark Chaves, 7. Tim Green, 8. Dwayne Larson, 9. Bobby McMahan, 10. Rich Voss, 11. Mike Manthey, 12. Rod Spencer

Snap-On Tools Heat Race
1. Brent Kaeding, 2. Steve Kent, 3. Steve Kinser, 4. Rick Martin, 5. Jimmy Sills, 6. Nick Rescino Jr., 7. Paul McMahan, 8. Jerry Bonnema, 9. Gene Manhire, 10. Roger Hamilton, 11. Pat Rose, 12. Bob Cooney

Third Heat Race
1. Stevie Smith, 2. Dave Blaney, 3. Randi Tiner, 4. Johnny Herrera, 5. Ronnie Day, 6. Jason McMillen, 7. John Golobic, 8. Jac Haudenschild, 9. Eric Rossi, 10. Jason Statler, 11. Gary Edson, 12. Kevin Pylant

Fourth Heat Race
1. Bobby Davis Jr., 2. Joe Gaerte, 3. Mark Kinser, 4. Craig Keel, 5. Terry McCarl, 6. Scott Luhdorff, 7. Toni Lutar, 8. Danny Lasoski, 9. Howard Kaeding, 10. Randy Hannagan, 11. Greg Brown, 12. Darrell Hanestad

C Feature (10 Laps)
1. Kevin Pylant, 2. Howard Kaeding, 3. Dwayne Larson $110; 4. Bobby McMahan $90; 5. Pat Rose $50; 6. Gene Manhire $60; 7. Randy Hannagan $40; 8. Toni Lutar $35; 9. Greg DeCaires $45; 10. Eric Rossi $35; 11. Lenny Boles $45; 12. Earl Stanton $45; 13. Gary Willey $45

Tums Trophy Dash (5 Laps)
1. Craig Keel $100; 2. Steve Kinser $50; 3. Dave Blaney $50; 4. Ronnie Day $50; 5. Danny Olmstead $25; 6. Rick Martin $25.

B Feature (12 Laps)
1. Paul McMahan, 2. Jason McMillen, 3. Scott Luhdorff, 4. John Golobic, 5. Rod Spencer $160; 6. Tim Green $135; 7. Danny Lasoski $110; 8. Rich Voss $85; 9. Nick Rescino Jr. $70; 10. Mike Manthey $60; 11. Roger Hamilton $50; 12. Jason Statler $50; 13. Howard Kaeding $50; 14. Dwayne Larson $50; 15. Gary Edson $50; 16. Kevin Pylant $50; 17. Jerry Bonnema $50; 18. Greg Brown $50; 19. Bob Cooney $50; 20. Mark Chaves $50.

Craig Keel wins his 1st career WoO Preliminary A Feature.

Preliminary Feature (20 Laps)
1. Craig Keel [1] $3,500; 2. Dave Blaney [3] $2,010; 3. Steve Kinser [2] $1,410; 4. Mark Kinser [7] $1,210; 5. Bobby Davis Jr. [22] $1,060; 6. Brent Kaeding [9] $1,010; 7. Ronnie Day [4] $910; 8. Keith Kauffman [12] $760; 9. Joe Gaerte [18] $735; 10. Johnny Herrera [10] $710; 11. Scott Luhdorff [11] $430; 12. Paul McMahan [13] $380; 13. Danny Olmstead [5] $310; 14. Rick Martin [6] $285; 15. Steve Kent [20] $235; 16. Steve Beitler [8] $210; 17. Randi Tiner [17] $210; 18. Stevie Smith [21] $210; 19. Jason McMillen [14] $230; 20. John Golobic [24] $230; 21. Chuck Miller [19] $210; 22. Jimmy Sills [23] $210; DNF-23. Terry McCarl [15] $210; DNF-24. Jimmy Carr [16] $210.
Lap leader: Craig Keel 1-20.

Start: Before the lap is completed, the yellow is out after McCarl and Carr tangle betweens turns 3-4. Restart: Keel would hold S. Kinser at bay for the lead. Lap-8: Yellow flag is out again as McCarl and Carr, tangle for the 2nd time in the race, both unable to continue. Lap-15: Keel, Blaney and Kinser raced through turn 4, 3-wide. Keel would out drag the two and maintain his lead over the final six laps. Lap-25: Blaney beats S. Kinser across the line by inches for 2nd.

Super Fan and Strawberry Farming King, J.W. Hunt awards Keel with an additional $1,000 in Victory Lane.

Craig Keel-“I qualified well tonight, time trialing is the name of the game. In the Feature, I had some trouble with the lapped cars on or about lap six. I ran into a couple of them. One didn’t do what I thought it was going to do, and I bounced off it into another one, but I recovered in time.”

When asked if this was the biggest win of his career so-far, Keel politely stated “No, tomorrow night (full points paying A Feature) will be the highlight.

...according to Kevin Eckert's site Paulus won "local, non sanctioned" events at Williams Grove on 3/16/97 and 2/21/99 (damn, you guys start early...LOL)...

...just the same...funny that some had the nerve to call you out on Posse vs Outlaws right after your boy (and former FOAW) Leppo puts it on the Outlaws...who gives a shit if it's the only Posse win this season...when you label a person "future" anything, and said person does indeed whip Outlaw asses, you deserve some respect...LOL!

...some people just don't get the nature of a good rivalry...

gasit - I think this whole thread with the exception of a few posts is rank with good rivalry. It is the reason that I have stayed at it as long as I have. It is all in good fun for most.

But I have to head out to Skagit now. 360 Nationals. I will rejoin on Monday.

As an added note, both those Paulus wins at the Grove were Sunday afternoon shows. The second Paulus win was the Grove opener that year and it was run in about 25 degree temps.

gas = thanks...i took a ton of heat by your buddies for several years for being ahead of the curve on the subject of FOAW. proviving that some of the usual suspects need glasses to find their own...oh...sorry, they already have glasses...guess they need even more than that.

what some still refuse to accept is the strength of our 2nd tier cars...you need only listen to Hodnett, Lance and Rahmer's comments when they run our local shows.

just look at the DNQ list of WoO cars while our FOAW make the field and bring home podium positions.

to beat the outlaws, you need some luck, good equipment, a sharp crew, ability to TT well, fast enough in the heat to make the dash and then pound home the win.

the conditions last week were far from optimal compared to the usual track prep, but that is not the fault of ANY of the racers. as was said earlier: funny what kind of track conditions a large sanction fee will buy you in this area.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

yep........you'd have to have a series. Kinda like WoO. But the prices are so out of control that its no longer a maybe-maybe not type of deal. If you don't have the $$$$........you can't do it. I suppose it's always been this way.......but not the extent it has been recently.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

The WoO guys you are referring to as getting circles run around them - some are ASCS guys who at least got up off the porch to try to be great drivers - NATIONALLY ----not LOCALLY. Your drivers up there get spanked whenever they leave your state........while you posse fans talk a bunch of crap from the PORCH as well. Funny I agree with you about car owners. But why do you and the rest of PA punks talk as if the level of competition somehow makes you -as fans- better than the rest of the fans around the country. That perspective alone makes you much much worse. I still don't dispute ya'll have great racing. But ya'll trump this crap about how you kick outlaw ass........only to be the shut the hell up when the outlaws come to town. Unlike ya'll........people in parts unknown are enjoying their outlaw shows because they don't talk as much crap as ya'll do. If a local wins they don't take that as expectation for further events. They enjoy it for what it is and can't wait for the next competitive show. Unlike posse fans........fans from "parts unknown" seeing great racing is a lot more important than whether or not their local "finishes 15th".

OUTLAW DRIVERS RACE AGAINST THE BEST OF THE BEST NATIONWIDE...........NOT IN ONE LOCAL REGION. No matter how good your locals are........they still don't run nationwide do they? Funny how they choose to be the best in one small area as opposed to striving to be the best in the nation.........................textbook cherrypickers. or......at least until the outlaws come to town.

I wonder what is in the water up there that makes some so naive? :buuuuuurp:

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

I also haven't seen a single race in cali, indiana, or yes PA. What I meant was PA's 40 sprints may be better than Ohio's 40 sprints.........but I imagine they both put on a hell of a show. My case in point...or my example was last weekends ASCS speedweek races here at OKC. Most weekly shows that feature around 35 injected 360's and 20 2 bbl. sprints for 10$ were a lot better than the 46 ASCS sprints at 20$ on a stuck to the bottom dry-slick track. ASCS brought in some better drivers maybe and more HP........but that alone did not make it a better show than what we normally see here in OKC.

Maybe that doesn't really explain it..........but a PA track and a Ohio track could have the exact same # of cars.......granted one with more talent in the field than the other..........but does that necessarily mean it's going to be a better show?

and BTW.........I've really wanted to come up there to PA and see some racing.........same as I want to see Indiana and Ohio speedweeks. And the statement about Cali and IND is because even though 95% of the races I see are winged..........I still think non-wing action is a lot more exciting. And I think it takes more skill to drive a non-winged sprinter or midget.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

excuse me if this sounds like Mr. Obvious...but coming here to repeat enlightening statements like "locals" don't race "nationwide" better line up the yellow in the front and brown in the back when they get dressed.

maybe some day it will occur to you that "racing" only revolves around "traveling" if you are stupid enough to live where there is little or no racing that satifies.

give me a choice between putting $150 into the gas tank for 1 race in another state and only seeing 3 movies, i mean races so far this year and actually having a thriving local race scene...you know my choice.

and for the record, on POSSE Soil a driver does not CHOOSE to be the best..he must in fact earn the title against the very drivers that Kinser, McCarl, Schatz and even Shepard have noted in print articles as the toughest competition they face, period.

i will be at the local track this weekend, if you are not afraid to leave your own porch, stop by...to the rest of you, enjoy the movies.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Back to the posts above, are we now saying in 1991 Keel was Posse? Or Kauffman was in 95? Keel definitely ran most of the Outlaw shows back in the early 90s and Kauffman was running for an Outlaw car owner for alot of years. So can we count all of Stevie Smith's wins as Posse wins? Man, the Posse looks better all the time.

After all of these years, the BRR really can not say who is and who isn't Posse, but he does know they are the greatest whoever they happen to be on a given day lol.

I say we should all concede that they are the greatest and let BRR walk away with his head still firmly planted up his posterior end.

I say ALL race drivers are the greatest and all race tracks are great, even paperclips,

I think all of the sectioning bodies do a good job doing what they do best, either being the top level or providing a place for their followers to train so they can advance to the top level.

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