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baltimore- the DINGUS BUS was playing some COE out at Eldora...it was hilarious!

mulligan - 71fan's numbers come DIRECTLY from last weeks program sold at the track - it listed all WoO events at the Grove since the series began. no surprise that you would refuse to accept the official published results...nothing new under the sun.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

i am sure learning one thing here. that is these pa. folks are sure good magicians. they have taken a thread about how they got their buts kicked by the outlaws and turned it into a who is better pa. or ca. thread. lol. just proves the point that you can't say anything about the posse getting beat with out the posse pushers trying to pull their slight of hand like putting up a picture of brian leppo just like the south hoists a tattered old confederate flag to try and throw you off. you guys are posting stats from 30 freakin years ago like it really makes a difference if the outlaws win 75% of the time or 80% of the time . it only takes 51% to make the point. you pa. guys listen up. we try to compliment you by saying your guys are without a doubt the best compitition the woo has. but that never seems to be good enough. also that williams grove is the toughest track the outlaws race against the locals at. but that still doesn't change the fact that more times than not the woo has beaten the posse at their own game in their own sandbox. they have beaten them by half again as much as it takes to mathimatically say they have beaten them.i know i am talking to deaf ears when i speak to you but i just can't help myself. it is always so funny to hear what kinds of goofy excuses you are going to come up with next.

Pennsylvania has some of the best drivers in the country, PERIOD, all one has to do is look at KNOXVILLE'S 410 Driver of the Year Poll... Our guys fill out the top ten FOR A REASON. Nelligan's theory of comparing Kaeding in Kinser's 11k to Wolfe in the 11h is about as credible as he is...lol. What a joke AS USUAL. Donny Schatz may have handed us our asses this year, LIKE HE HAS THE REST OF THE OUTLAWS... But even so, the POSSE STILL has a 40% winning percentage THIS CENTURY, far better than any other place on earth. Take Schatz out of the equation and we probably would be batting 50/50. Hats off to Donny Schatz.

WILLIAMS GROVE RESULTS

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Cubic - Now those are the kind of stats no one can argue with. Wait, no one was. The original post was that PA was 1 for 5 in the win column this year. That would be all tracks. I think everyone on this post at one time or another has said that the Posse are very good on their one unique track and a threat to win everytime they are there. Not so much anywhere else.

Also, you are correct in Mike shouldn't compare TK and Wolfe. Not even in the same league. For a fair comparison it would have to be more like Lance DeWease or Fred Rahmer. TK was barely 21 when he won his first WOO prelim at Chico.

Excellent post Cubic! Since the turn of the century, the gap has gotten alot closer until this year when Schatz started to dominate. Mike, I took those numbers right from the Williams Grove program, so they speak for themselves. Bill Meyer or not, they are correct. Wright-one sure does talk alot of smack even though his driver has been a non factor East of Ohio for the last 15 years. Talk to one of Jac's crew over the weekend and he hates the Grove because he knows that his team doesnt have the horsepower to compete there, so look for Jac's struggles to continue east of Ohio. Maybe some day Wright-one will see the light, but I doubt it.

John- I dont doubt the racing in CA is good and someday I would like to get out there. However, this argument is apples and oranges. Your couting CA wins when your CA drivers were Outlaws, this is not the same. PA drivers won WOO races when they were local and stay local. PA drivers CHOOSE to stay at home because they can. CA and Knoxville drivers hit the road when they become good because its the only way to make a living in a sprint car. This is not the case in PA and always has been. Some people find it hard to believe that our drivers dont want to travel, but why should they when they can make a good living here. Case in point, on Friday night July 27th the Grove will have 12 former WOO winners competing in their weekly show. Tell me which CA track or any other track for that matter will have that this weekend besides the one where the Outlaws are running?

1. Fred Rahmer 2. Lance Dewease 3. Greg Hodnett 4. Jeff Shepard 5. Mark Smith 6. Doug Esh 7. Mike Erdley NST 8. Don Krietz Jr. 9. Todd Shaffer 10. Craig Keel 11. Keith Kauffman 12. Go Brian Leppo!

You reap what you sow guys. You guys are pretty obnoxious (admittedly in a fun way) when the Posse wins, but the last 8 out of 10 times when they've lost, you've been pretty thin-skinned to criticism.

And there really was nothing bad to say about the Outlaw group this swing, they dominated on the track, drew good crowds, ran a quick show and the racing was no worse than many PA speedweek shows. And they paid more for 8th than PA Speedweek shows paid for 3rd, so the PA drivers when they did well got paid well.

if Stevie Smith shows up, make it 13!

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Nothing bad to say? Schatz started on the pole of his heat, on pole for the dash, and outside pole for the feature Saturday night... I heard the Grove was going to install a christmas tree on the frontstretch for the National Open. World of Outlaw racing sucks... if I want to watch a drag race I'll go to the Reading Nationals. And even the drag cars don't HIT THE BRAKES and courtiously fall in behind Schatz like Kinser did going into turn one. What's next in the Outlaw rule book...brake lights and turn signals...lol. I'm starting to think the Grove ought to give the Outlaws the hand signal instead, like the rest of our tracks around here already did.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

This was fun and entertaining banter until the last post. Are you saying the WOO and Donny Schatz are cheating and your tracks are assisting him in return for them appearing? Because that is what it sounds like. So in that case you are also implying that the reason the Posse cars did poorly was not because they are not good enough they just are not getting the preverbial nod to pass? Come on now. Do you really beleive that? Then again maybe your right. No wonder there are hardly any winners that are not on tour.

Take a deep breath Johnnyboy.

"The Outlaws have people out here that don’t know 
anything about racing. I don’t understand how they 
come up with some of the calls they do. It makes me 
think that they just might be that stupid. It’s 
scary."     -Steve Kinser

I don't get your argument that the Posse did so poorly last week. Bran Leppo won one of the races. Had ANY local ANYWHERE in America beaten the Outlaws this season prior to last weekend? I am just asking, I may have forgotten about a local winning a WoO race somewhere else this season?

Ok, central PA is 1-5 against the Outlaws this season. But you don't mention that the rest of the country is, what, 0-50?

The one argument I have never understood in this whole Posse/WoO debate is the one about the Grove being so unique that it confuses even the best Sprint Car drivers in America, which the Outlaws definitely are. The Grove has long straights and tight corners. It's not the only place in America with those attributes.

All of the top drivers on the WoO tour have been coming to the Grove seven times a year for at least a decade, if not much longer. You are telling me that the best drivers in Sprint Car racing are puzzled by a track they have visited at least 50 times previous?

WoO VS PA - 1978 through 2002

1978

Jun 24 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 50 Steve Smith Fletcher #66

Sep 23 Calistoga, CA 0.50 D 40 Johnny Anderson Woodruff #21

Sep 24 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 100 Kramer Williamson Apple House #41

1979

Jul 19 Penn National, Grantville, PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11

Jul 21 Lincoln, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 50 Rick Ferkel Ferkel #0

Jul 25 Port Royal, PA 0.50 D 40 Lynn Paxton Boop #1

Jul 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 35 Lynn Paxton Boop #1

Jul 28 Selinsgrove, PA 0.50 D 35 Allen Klinger Lucas #98

Aug 29 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11

1980

May 14 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 40 Doug Wolfgang Trostle 20

May 16 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Jeffrey #91

May 17 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 40 Sammy Swindell Jeffrey #91

May 20 Grandview, Bechtelsville, PA 0.33 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11

May 22 Selinsgrove, PA 0.50 D 35 Kramer Williamson Kuhn 21

Jul 16 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 40 Rick Ferkel Morgan 0

Jul 17 Penn National, Grantville, PA 0.50 D 30 Smokey Snellbaker Lloyd 56

Jul I8 Selinsgrove, PA 0.50 D 35 Lynn Paxton Boop 1

Jul 19 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11

Jul 20 Cayuga Co., Weedsport, NY 0.37 D 25 Lynn Paxton Boop 1

Jul 21 Rolling Wheels, Elbridge, NY 0.62 D 35 Lynn Paxton Boop 1

Jul 23 Grandview, Bechtelsville, PA 0.33 D 40 Tim Green Serace #55

Jul 24 Hagerstown, MD 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11

Jul 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Bill Stief Lloyd #461

Jul 26 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 35 Ketih Kauffman Weikert #29

1981

Jun 4 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11

Jun 5 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11

Jun 6 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11

Jun 11 Penn National, Grantville, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11

Jun 12 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11

Sep 1 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Nance #1n

1982

May 13 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Sammy Swindell Nance #1N

May 14 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 50 Bobby Allen Allen #1a

May 21 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Allen Allen #1a

May 26 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11

Oct 12 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 40 Rick Ferkel Morgan #0

1983

May 26 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Bobby Davis, Jr. Weikert #29

May 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Davis, Jr. Weikert #29

May 30 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 40 Brad Doty Bowers #28D

May 31 Grandview, Bechtelsville, PA 0.33 D 40 Doug Wolfgang Spurlock #18

Jun 10 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1

Jun 11 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1

Aug 2 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 3 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Bobby Davis, Jr. Weikert #29

Aug 4 WiIIiams Grove, PA 0.50 D 12 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 5 WiIIiams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1

Aug 6 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

1984

May 24 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 26 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 31 Grandview, Bechtelsville, PA 0.33 D 40 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1

Jun 8 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1

Jul 31 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Brad Doty Stanton 75

Aug 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1

Aug 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Brad Doty Stanton 75

Aug 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 4 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 40 Bobby Davis, Jr. Suiter #18

Oct 9 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindeli Beadle #1

1985

May 22 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 24 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Keith Kauffman Hamilton #77

May 25 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 29 Selinsgrove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Jun 1 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Jul 31 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1

Aug 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1

Aug 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Doug Wolfgang Weikert #29

Aug 3 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 35 Bobby Allen Allen #1a

1986

May 21 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Doug Wolfgang Weikert #29

May 22 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Doug Wolfgang Weikert #29

May 23 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Doug Wolfgang Weikert #29

May 24 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 35 Bobby Davis, Jr Morgan #6

May 28 Port Royal, PA 0.50 D 30 Don Kreitz, Jr Kreitz #69n

May 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Allen Allen #1a

May 31 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Bobby Davis, Jr Morgan #6

Jul 30 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Jul 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Jac Haudenschild Saucier #1ST

Aug 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Allen Allen #1a

Aug 2 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 15# Sammy Swindell Beadle #1

1987

May 20 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 22 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 23 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Bobby Allen Allen #1a

May 27 Port Royal, PA 0.50 D 25 Doug Wolfgang Weikert #29

May 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 30 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Jul 29 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Jul 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Jul 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 31 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 1 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

1988

May 25 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Dave Blaney Nott #48

May 26 Williams Grove., PA 0.50 D 20 Bobby Davis, Jr. Luna #10

May 27 Williams Grove., PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Davis, Jr. Luna #10

May 28 Lincoln, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Sammy Swindell Annett #1

June 3 Williams Grove. PA 0.50 D 18 Mark Kinser Reid #6r

June 4 Lincoln, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Stevie Smith, Jr. Smith #19

July 27 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 40 Sammy Swindell Annett #1

July 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Cris Eash Eash #17e

July 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

July 30 Lincoln, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

1989

May 20 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Cris Eash Eash #17e

May 24 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Dave Blaney Chupp #7c

May 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Bobby Allen Allen #1a

May 26 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Annett #1

May 27 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Donnie Kreitz, Jr. Kreitz #69k

Jun 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Allen Allen #1a

Jul 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Bobby Davis, Jr. Luna #10

Jul 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Davis, Jr. Luna #10

Jul 29 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Bobby Davis, Jr. Luna #10

Jul 31 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 30 Tim Green Owen #14

Sep 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Stevie Smith Hamilton #77

Sep 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 75 Stevie Smith Hamilton #77

1990

May 23 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Annett #1

May 24 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Jun 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Annett #1

Jun 2 Lincoln, Hanover, PA Rained out

Aug 1 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Sep 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Sep 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 75 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Oct 6 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Bobby Davis, Jr. Luna #10

1991

May 22 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Jeff Swindell Weikert #29

May 24 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 25 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Sammy Swindell Annett #1

May 29 Susquehanna, Newberrytown, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Annett #1

Jun 1 Selinsgrove, PA 0.50 D 30 Todd Shaffer Turnbaugh #11t

Jul 31 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Bobby Davis Jr. Davis #4

Aug 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Williams #5m

Aug 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Oct 5 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Sammy Swindell Annett #1

Oct 6 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 50 Stevie Smith Hamilton #77

1992

May 20 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Annett #1

May 21 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Williams #5M

May 22 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Donnie Kreitz, Jr Kreitz #69K

May 23 Hagerstown, MD 0.50 D 20 Sammy Swindell Annett #1

May 24 Hagerstown, MD 0.50 D Rained Out

May 25 Lincoln, Hanover, PA 0.40 D Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Donnie Kreitz, Jr Kreitz #69K

Jul 28 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 40 Sammy Swindell Annett #1

Jul 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Jul 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 1 Hagerstown, MD 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Annett #1

Aug 2 Susquehanna, Newberrytown, PA 0.50 D Stevie Smith Hamilton #77

Sep 30 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Oct 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Keith Kauffman Wintermyer #1W

Oct 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Oct 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

1993

May 25 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Kenny Jacobs Motter #71m

May 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Dave Blaney Luna #10

May 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Don Kreitz, Jr. Knelt #69k

Jun 4 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Dave Blaney Luna #10

Jun 5 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Andy Hillenburg Hillenburg #2

Aug 3 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 40 Jeff Swindell Wimmer/Knamer #tw

Aug 5 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 7 Hagerstown, MD 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 8 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Bill Brian, Jr. Brian #16

Sep 30 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 30 Stevie Smith Hamilton #77

Oct 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Oct 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Don Kreitz, Jr. Kreitz 69

1994

May 25 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D Postponed due to heavy rain

May 26- Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Dave Blaney Luna #10

May 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Jun 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Andy Hillenburg Hillenburg #2

Jun 4 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 2 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 4 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Sammy Swindell Gilliam #1

Aug 5 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Gilliam #1

Aug 6 Hagerstown, MD 0.50 D 30 Jeff Swindell Two Winners #7TW

Aug 7 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Sep 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Lance Dewease Dyer #461

Oct 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

1995

May 22 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 26 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 30 Grandview, Bechtelsville, PA 0.33 D 30 Jac Haudenschild Elden #22

Jun 3 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 1 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 40 Stevie Smith Motter 71m

Aug 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Dave Blaney Luna #10

Aug 4 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m

Aug 6 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Dave Blaney Luna #10

Sep 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m

Sep 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m

1996

May 21 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 25 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

May 24 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Johnny Herrera Sonner #47

May 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

May 29 Grandview, Bechtelsville, PA 0.33 D 30 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1

May 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Jun 1 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

Jul 30 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

Aug 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Aug 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

Aug 5 Grandview, Bechtelsville, PA 0.33 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

Oct 4 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Lance Dewease Dyer #461

Oct 5 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Lance Dewease Dyer #461

1997

May 20 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1

May 22 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Swindell

May 23 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m

May 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Jac Haudenschild Elden #22

May 31 Lincoln Park, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m

Jul 29 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m

Jul 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m

Aug 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m

Oct 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1

Oct 4 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1

1998

May 19 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Fred Rahmer Hamilton #77

May 21 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

May 22 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Johnny Herrera Sonner #47

May 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Stevie Smith Smith #19

May 30 Lincoln, Hanover, PA 0.40 D 30 Fred Rahmer Hamilton #77

Jul 28 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 25 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

Jul 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D Cancelled, rain

Jul 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Kevin Gobrecht Zemaitis #1Z

Oct 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

Oct 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D Cancelled, rain

1999

May 25 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

May 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

May 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Jul 27 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

Jul 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

Jul 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

Sep 29 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D Cancelled, rain

Oct 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Cris Eash E&G Classics #17E

Oct 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

2000

May 16 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1

May 18 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

May 19 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 26* Fred Rahmer Hamilton #77

Jul 25 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1

Jul 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Lance Dewease Harz #88H

Jul 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1

Sep 26 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Stevie Smith Smith #19

Sep 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Sep 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Donny Schatz Schatz #15

2001

May 18 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Donny Schatz Schatz #15

Jul 24 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M

Jul 26 Wm Grove, PA # 0.50 D 30 Donny Schatz Schatz #15

Jul 27 Wm Grove, PA # 0.50 D 30 Don Kreitz, Jr Kreitz #69

Sep 25 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Danny Wood Woodburn #21W

Sep 27 Port Royal, PA 0.50 D 30 Danny Wood Woodburn #21W

Sep 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Tim Shaffer Helm #11H

Sep 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Lance Dewease Harz #88H

2002

May 15 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 35 Stevie Smith Helm #11H

May 16 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Steve Kinser Kinser #11

Jul 24 Lernerville, Sarver, PA 0.50 D 40 Ed Lynch, Jr. Lynch #2L

Jul 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Danny Lasoski Stewart #20

Jul 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Joey Saldana Saldana #17

Jul 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Greg Hodnett Apple #12

Sep 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Cancelled rain

Sep 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Lance Dewease Hamilton #77

Sep 29 Port Royal Speedway, PA 0.50 D 30 Brad Furr Furr #2

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WoO all time win list through mid season last year

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this must no include PreLims...but i thought McCarl had more than two?

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

singlefile - couple of things. The first was not the first to say Posse did poorly BRR said it in an earlier post and cubic's statements had eluded to it. I simply re-iterated what they implied. I do not feel they did that poorly just not that great. Second would be any local winning a race. I know no one from PA would allow that Tim Kaeding is a local (everyone in CA does) but he did win his second WOO race of the year with left over last year's equipment. From a technicality stand point I suppose we should consider him from Indiana since SK owned the car. Since that weekend is the only WOO racing we have had so far we will have to wait another month or so to see if he backs it up or if someone else steps up. Also, I am not talking about the rest of the country just PA. Evidently some consider PA to be just the Grove. Lastly I am not sure I remember anyone saying that the Grove confused the rest of the drivers. Iam questioning why only stats from the one unique track are being considered. Nothing more nothing less read it as you want. After reading Hawkers post I can see why you don't want to include the other tracks though.

Thanks Hawker for the post. Interesting reading there.

Drak - I meant what I said about cubics post. Bantering is fun but calling people cheaters and even the entire series..... I am hoping that is not what he is trying to say. Don't need to take a deep breath for it. It takes a lot more than that to even upset me. Question my morals, insult my family - then there will be words. Otherwise it is all good. Some things just cause you to think a little less about a person.

Not that they care one way or the other or should as it is just my opinion.

Hmmm, Lucas in the "penalty box" and TK in one of the top cars on earth with one of the top crews on earth. That's a fair comparison...

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Up-to-date Outlaw A Main Win list:

http://www.racingone.com/article.aspx?artnum=26793

BIG J

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Thanks!

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John, fair enough with some of the points you made. But why is the Grove any more unique than Knoxville or Chico or anywhere else in America? Why is that the only place in America where the locals win more than once every 100 forevers?

Since you are from California, I'm sure you have never been to Lebanon Valley (N.Y.). This isn't a shot at you, I realize you live on the other side of the country. But Lebanon Valley is a carbon copy shape and size wise to Williams Grove, and the Outlaws go there every year. Lebanon Valley isn't a weekly Sprint Car track, but the Grove is not the only track in America with that configuration that the Outlaws visit.

I enjoy the debate with you. Unlike some of the other posters on here, I can even enjoy debating with MSPN because even when he disagrees with my opinions, he really has not taken any personal shots at me. As a result, I try to give him that same courtesy.

For $hits and giggles..... WoO points 1978 - 2003

1978

1. Steve Kinser (11) 5,172

2. Rick Ferkel (8) 5,118

3. Bobby Allen (2) 3,688

4. Doug Wolfgang (3) 3,024

5. Jack Hewitt (0) 2,698

6. Charlie Swartz (0) 1,974

7. Lee Osborne (0) 1,908

8. Danny Smith (0) 1,858

9. Sammy Swindell (2) 1,856

10. Gary Patterson (0) 1,816

11. Lealand McSpadden (2) 1,750

12. Jimmy Boyd (1) 1,622

13. Dub May (0) 1,492

14. Fred Linder (0) 1,372

15. Johnny Beaber (1) 1,302

16. Shane Carson (1) 1,178

17. Johnny Anderson (1) 1,082

18. Kenny Jacobs (0) 1,010

19. Jimmy Sills (0) 1,000

20. Rick Nichols (0) 946

1979

1 Steve Kinser 10,358

2 Sammy Swindell 9,196

3 Rick Ferkel 7,588

4 Lee James 6,912

5 Doug Wolfgang 5,988

6 Dub May 5,308

7 Bobby Men 5,214

8 Ron Shuman 4,778

9 Jack Hewitt 4,380

10 Johnny Anderson 3,986

11 Jerry Stone 2,774

12 Shane Carson 2,760

13 Johnny Beaber 2,660

14 Danny Smith 2,386

15 Bob Kinser 2,326

16 Lealand McSpadden 2,266

17 Lee Osborne 2,172

18 Jim Linder 2,008

19 Kerry Norris 1,738

20 Chuck Amati 1,620

1980

1 Steve Kinser 10,200

2 Doug Wolfgang 9,000

3 Lee Jones 7,850

4 Tim Green 7,442

5 Sammy Swindell 7,338

6 Lee Osborne 6,488

7 Rick Ferkel 4,850

8 Danny Smith 4,676

9 Bobby AlIen 4,064

10 Mike Peters 3,450

11 Jack Hewitt 2,910

12 Ron Shuman 2,808

13 Jeff Swindell 2,710

14 Shane Carson 2,446

15 Bobby Davis, Jr 2,356

16 Don Mack 2,298

17 Gary Gray 2,100

18 Lealand McSpadden 1,832

19` Keith Kauffman 1,658

20 Lynn Paxton 1,562

1981

1 Sammy Swindell 10,522

2 Doug Wolfgang 10,292

3 Steve Kinser 9,348

4 Jeff Swindell 6,428

5 Rick Ferkel 6,374

6 Danny Smith 5,964

7 Bobby AlIen 5,182

8 Tim Green 4,234

9 Bobby Davis, Jr. 3,656

10 Ed Polich 3,560

11 Ron Shuman 3,348

12 Jimmy Sills 3,060

13 Lealand McSpadden 2,911

14 Lee James 2,572

15 Bobby Guiltner 2,404

16 Bobby Marshall 2,340

17 Lee Osborne 2,318

18 Eddie Leavitt 2,302

19 Randy Smith 2,198

20 Fred Lindner 1,902

1982

1 Sammy Swindell 6,238

2 Steve Kinser 5,958

3 Shane Carson 5,452

4 Brad Doty 5,238

5 Rick Ferkel 5,174

6 Doug Wolfgang 5,048

7 Rick Ungar 4,836

8 Ron Shuman 4,676

9 Jeff Swindell 4,608

10 Tim Green 4,194

11 Bobby Allen 3,884

12 Danny Smith 3,804

13 Jack Hewitt 2,692

14 Gary Lynch 2,531

15 Bobby Davis Jr. 1,874

16 Jac Haudenschild 1,387

17 Mike Thomas 1,278

18 Bobby Marshall 1,251

19 Randy Smith 1,159

20 Tim Green 1,079

1983

1 Steve Kinser 7,320

2 Doug Wolfgang 6,808

3 Sammy SwindeIl 6,645

4 Ron Shuman 6,457

5 Shane Carson 6,388

6 Brad Doty 6,293

7 Jeff SwindeIl 6,069

8 Bobby AlIen 5,505

9 Tim Gee 5,234

10 Danny Smith 4,691

11 Jac Haudenschild 3,728

12 Richard Lupo 3,185

13 Keith Kauffman 3,009

14 Bobby Davis Jr. 2,282

15 Rick Ungar 2,169

16 Tim Green 1,570

17 Rick Hood 1,444

18 Randy Smith 1,440

19 T.J. Giddings 1,329

20 Brent Kaeding 1,206

1984

1 Steve Kinser 7,670

2 Sammy Swindell 7,569

3 Bobby Davis, Jr. 7,128

4 Ron Shuman 6,951

5 Jeff Swindell 6,871

6 Brad Doty 6,582

7 Danny Smith 6,060

8 Bobby AlIen 5,751

9 Tim Green 5,120

10 Tim Gee 5,059

11 Greg Wooley 4,634

12 Rick Ungar 4,195

13 Doug Wolfgang 4,017

14 Terry Gray 3,621

15 Lee Osborne 3,176

16 Shane Carson 3,003

17 Mark Kinser 2,896

18 Richard Lupo 2,091

19 Randy Wolfe 1,649

20 Jac Haudenschiid 1,525

1985

1 Steve Kinser 8,172

2 Bobby Davis, Jr. 7,733

3 Ron Shuman 7,570

4 Jeff Swindell 7,213

5 Bobby Allen 7,117

6 Mark Kinser 6,641

7 Sammy Swindell 6,625

8 Brad Doty 6,375

9 Rocky Hodges 5,390

10 Terry Gray 5,224

11 Tim Gee 4,901

12 Dave Blaney 4,771

13 Danny Smith 4,504

14 Tim Green 2,971

15 Doug Wolfgang 2,903

16 Jac Haudenschild 2,643

17 Greg Wooley 2,630

18 Shane Carson 2,625

19 Jimmy Sills 2,487

20 Randy Smith 1,918

1986

1 Steve Kinser (18) 8,283

2 Bobby Davis, Jr. (5) 7,881

3 Ron Shuman (1) 6,974

4 Jimmy Sills (1) 6,580

5 Jac Haudenschild (1) 6,475

6 Mark Kinser (2) 6,469

7 Tim Gee (0) 6,460

8 Brad Doty (2) 6,338

9 Jeff Swindell (0) 6,230

10 Bobby Allen (5) 6,079

11 Sammy Swindell (12) 5,458

12 Terry Gray (0) 4,466

13 Dave Blaney (0) 4,360

14 Danny Smith (0) 3,735

15 Doug Wolfgang (4) 3,010

16 Ted Lee (0) 2,942

17 Randy Smith (0) 2,859

18 Rick Hood (0) 2,519

19 Johnny Herrera (0) 2,459

20 George Marshall (0) 2,262

1987

1 Steve Kinser 11,006

2 Brad Doty 10,367

3 Bobby Davis, Jr. 9,906

4 Jac Haudenschild 9,690

5 Ron Shuman 9,592

6 Mark Kinser 9,330

7 Danny Smith 8,519

8 Johnny Herrera 8,281

9 Cris Eash 7,614

10 Craig Keel 7,230

11 Rich Bubak 6,624

12 Sammy Swindell 6,300

13 Lee Brewer, Jr. 5,872

14 Bobby AlIen 5,348

15 Jimmy Sills 5,045

16 Tim Gee 4,508

17 Dave Blaney 4,169

18 Greg Wooley 3,842

19 Tommie Estes, Jr. 3,479

20 Doug Wolfgang 3,225

1989

1 Steve Kinser 9,505

2 Sammy Swindell 9,262

3 Bobby Davis, Jr 9,102

4 Dave Blaney 8,731

5 Mark Kinser 8,549

6 Andy Hillenburg 8,118

7 Cris Eash 7,710

8 Jac Haudenschild 7,682

9 Doug Wolfgang 7,655

10 Danny Smith 7,061

11 Greg Wooley 6,374

12 Bobby Alien 5,790

13 Jeff SwIndell 4,676

14 Johnny Herrera 4,552

15 Brad Doty 4,098

16 Jimmy Sills 3,861

17 Joey Allen 3,341

18 Lee Brewer, Jr. 3,194

19 Craig Keel 2,980

20 Tony Armstrong 2,694

1989

1 Bobby Davis, Jr. 10,153

2 Jeff SwindeIl 9,877

3 Cris Eash 9,154

4 Tim Green 9,126

5 Joe Gaerte 9,092

6 Jac Haudenschild 8,050

7 Andy Hillenburg 8,013

8 Keith Kauffman 6,999

9 Doug Wolfgang 5,508

10 Steve Siegel 5,101

11 Craig Keel 4,510

12 Donnie Kreitz, Jr. 4,353

13 Steve Beitler 3,960

14 Jack Hewitt 3,675

15 Bobby AlIen 3,575

16 Johnny Herrera 3,425

17 Dave Blaney 3,415

18 Greg Wooley 3,116

19 Kenny Jacobs 3,050

20 Danny Smith 2,768

1990

1 Steve Kinser 10,529

2 Doug Wolfgang 9,889

3 Joe Gaerte 9,738

4 Bobby Davis, Jr 9,663

5 Stevie Smith 9,383

6 Cris Eash 8,744

7 Dave Blaney 8,121

8 Keith Kauffman 7,952

9 Steve Beitler 7,771

10 Sammy Swindell 7,688

11 Johnny Herrera 7,194

12 Mark Kinser 6,203

13 Bobby Allen 5,514

14 Jac Haudenschild 4,207

15 Frankie Kerr 3,788

16 Danny Lasoski 3,579

17 Kenny Jacobs 2,782

18 Jeff Swindell 2,651

19 Andy Hillenburg 2,948

20 Danny Smith 2,352

1991

1 Steve Kinser, 11,236

2 Mark Kinser, 10,708

3 Joe Gaerte, 10,252

4 Stevie Smith, 10,174

5 Dave Blaney, 10,137

6 Johnny Herrera, 9,962

7 Steve Beitler, 8,089

8 Jim Carr, 7,775

9 Sammy Swindell, 6,690

10 Gary Cameron II, 6,149

11 Bobby Davis Jr., 5,598

12 Bobby Allen, 5,349

13 Danny Lasoski, 5,318

14 Doug Wotfgang, 4,814

15 Greg Hodnett, 4,644

16 Keith Kauffman, 4,615

17 Jac Haudensohild, 4,137

18 Jeff Swindell, 3,781

19 Craig Keel, 3,692

20 Gary Wright, 3,175

1992

1 Steve Kinser 11,210

2 Stevie Smith 10,701

3 Mark Kinser 10,261

4 Andy Hillenburg 9,967

5 Dave Blaney 9,512

6 Kenny Jacobs 9,367

7 Aaron Berryhill 8,582

8 Jac Hauenschild 8,403

9 Terry McCarl 8,396

10 Johnny Herrera 7,969

11 Sammy Swindell 6,813

12 Craig Keel 5,867

13 Steve Beitler 5,417

14 Danny Smith 3,815

15 Jeff Swindell 3,318

16 Bobby Davis, Jr 3,262

17 Danny Lasoski 3,216

18 Gary Wright 3,015

19 Bobby Allen 2,956

20 Lee Brewer, Jr 2,852

1993

1 Steve Kinser 10,217

2 Dave Blaney 10,110

3 Stevie Smith 9,952

4 Kenny Jacobs 9,695

5 Andy Hillenburg, 9,690

6 Jac Haudenschild 9,233

7 Greg Hodnett 8,572

8 Johnny Herrera 8,088

9 Steve Beitler 6,739

10 Craig Keel 5,850

11 Jeff Swindell 5,816

12 Mark Kinser 5,076

13 Aaron Berryhill 1,904

14 Joe Gaerte 1,787

14 Danny Lasoski 1,710

16 Terry McCanl 1,649

17 Bobby DavisJr., 1,615

18 Ed Lynch, Jr ,615

19 Bobby Allen 1,574

20 Donnie Kreitz, Jr. 1,536

1994

1 Steve Kinser 10,454

2 Dave Blaney 10,088

3 Andy Hillenburg 9,838

4 Jeff Swindell 9,837

5 Sammy Swindell 9,771

6 Jac Haudenschild 9,588

7 Kenny Jacobs 9,552

8 Joe Gaerte 9,205

9 Greg Hodnett 9,098

10 Stevie Smith 7,786

11 Sid Blandford 6,117

12 Johnny Herrera 5,603

13 Steve Beitler 5,256

14 Mark Kinser 5,170

15 Jeff Shepard 3,590

16 Danny Lasoski 2,699

17 Aaron Berryhill 2,512

18 Keith Kauffman 2,465

19 Bobby Davis, Jr. 2,338

20 Tommie Estes, Jr. 2,012

1995

1 Dave Blaney 10,850

2 Jac Haudenschild 10,708

3 Stevie Smith 10,507

4 Jeff Swindell 10,498

5 Andy Hillenburg 10,473

6 Danny Lasoski 10,392

7 Greg Hodnett 9,822

8 Randy Hannagan 9,337

9 Steve Kinser 6,307

10 Joe Gaerte 6,291

11 Keith Kauffman 4,409

12 Sammy Swindell 3,601

13 Johnny Herrera 3,433

14 Mark Kinser 3,237

15 Gus Wasson 2,841

16 Aaron Berryhill 2,774

17 Lance Blevins 2,730

18 Jeff Shepard 2,728

19 Bobby Davis, Jr. 2,177

20 Tim Engler 2,085

1996

1 Mark Kinser 10,664

2 Dave Blaney 10,262 2

3 Sammy Swindell 10,058

4 Steve Kinser 10,017

5 Jeff Swindell 9,903 5

6 Andy Hillenburg 9,748

7 Stevie Smith 9,690

8 Joe Gaerte 9,425 8

9 Johnny Herrera 9,415

10 Jac Haudenschild 8,512

11 Joey Saldana 8,502

12 Lance Blevins 8,352

13 Jim Carr 7,439

14 Greg Hodnett 6,431

15 Brian Paulus 5,849

16 Danny Lasoski 4,624

17 Paul McMahan 3,047

18 Dion Hindi 2,794 18

19 Donny Schatz 2,556 19

20 Terry McCarl 2,363 20

1997

1 Sammy Swindell 10,850

2 Dave Blaney 10,727

3 Steve Kinser . 10,664

4 Jac Haudenschild 10,432

5 Andy Hillenburg 10,246

6 Stevie Smith . 10,076

7 Greg Hodnett . 10,020

8 Johnny Herrera 9,629

9 Mark Kinser 9,554

10 Joe Gaerte 9,489

11 Jeff Swindell 9,390

12 Donny Schatz 9,060

13 Paul McMahan 8,863

14 Dion Hindi 7,410

15 Danny Lasoski 6,325

16 Lance Blevins 4,834

17 Craig Dollansky 4,534

18 Joey Saldana 3,923

19 Randy Hannagan 3,158

20 Garry Brazier 2,461

1998

1 Steve Kinser 9,879

2 Mark Kinser 9,786

3 Sammy Swindell 9,752

4 Stevie Smith 9,609

5 Danny Lasoski 9,601

6 Andy Hillenburg 9,436

7 Jac Haudenschild 9,280

8 Johnny Herrera 9,227

9 Jeff Swindell 9,073

10 Dale Blaney 8,997

11 Tyler Walker 8,855

12 Donny Schatz 8,665

13 Joe Gaerte 8,593

14 Lance Blevins 5,475

15 Craig Dollansky 4,448

16 Greg Hodnett 4,042

17 Tim Shaffer 3,564

18 Paul McMahan 3,332

19 Dion Hindi 3,029

20 Brooke Tatnell 2,855

1999

1 Mark Kinser 10,561

2 Danny Lasoski 10,490

3 Steve Kinser 10,332

4 Stevie Smith 10,147

5 Sammy Swindell 10,124

6 Johnny Herrera 10,104

7 Donny Schatz 9,996

8 Jeff Swindell 9,433

9 Tim Shaffer 9,342

10 Andy Hillenburg 9,326

11 Daryn Pittman 8,804

12 Brooke Tatnell 8,198

13 Lance Blevins 5,924

14 Dale Blaney 5,553

15 Kevin Gobrecht 5,069

16 Jac Haudenschild 5,047

17 Tyler Walker 4,838

18 Craig Dollansky 3,952

19 Joey Saldana 3,816

20 Frankie Kerr 3,548

2000

1. Steve Kinser 9,665

2. Sammy Swindell 9,534

3. Mark Kinser 9,468

4. Danny Lasoski 9,354

5. Stevie Smith 9,251

6. Joey Saldana 8,968

7. Dale Blaney 8,913

8. Andy Hillenburg 8,898

9. Johnny Herrera 8,702

10. Jac Haudenschild 8,637

11. Donny Schatz 8,548

12. Tim Shaffer 8,313

13. Daryn Pittman 8,185

14. Danny Wood 7,970

15. Greg Hodnett 7,665

16. Dean Jacobs 6,557

17. Brian Paulus 6,453

18. Brooke Tatnell 5,830

19. Randy Hannagan 4,658

20. Paul McMahan 4,624

2001

1. Danny Lasoski 9,875

2. Mark Kinser 9,845

3. Steve Kinser 9,673

4. Craig Dollansky 9,361

5. Donny Schatz 9,339

6. Andy Hillenburg 9,287

7. Joey Saldana 9,238

8. Tim Shaffer 9,198

9. Stevie Smith 9,169

10. Jeff Shepard 9,122

11. Paul McMahan 9,020

12. Brad Furr 8,776

13. Danny Wood 8,630

14. Jason Meyers 8,597

15. Dale Blaney 8,434

16. Randy Hannagan 6,999

17 Johnny Herrera 6,595

18. Sammy Swindell 4,267

19. Daryn Pittman 4,053

20. Jac Haudenschild 3,498

2002

1 Steve Kinser 10,263

2 Danny Lasoski 9,929

3 Craig Dollansky 9,925

4 Joey Saldana 9,841

5 Tim Shaffer 9,777

6 Mark Kinser 9,693

7 Donny Schatz 9,529

8 Brad Furr 9,513

9 Stevie Smith 9,476

10 Randy Hannagan 8,962

11 Daryn Pittman 8,537

12 Danny Wood 8,526

13 Jac Haudenschild 7,857

14 P.J. Chesson 4,726

15 Johnny Herrera 4,701

16 Brian Paulus 3,951

17 Sammy Swindell 3,145

18 Ricky Logan 2,849

19 Paul McMahan 2,720

20 Kraig Kinser 2,710

2003

1 Steve Kinser 10,201

2 Danny Lasoski 10,060

3 Joey Saldana 9,533

4 Daryn Pittman 9,469

5 Donny Schatz 9,156

6 Jason Sides 8,827

7 Paul McMahan 7,766

8 Brian Paulus 7,550

9 Jason Meyers 6,828

10 Tim Shaffer 6,721

11 Sammy Swindell 5,928

12 Johnny Herrera 5,888

13 Mark Kinser 5,644

14 Randy Hannagan 5,370

15 Kraig Kinser 5,191

16 Jac Haudenschild 4,855

17 Bob Bennett 4,241

18 Jeremy Campbell 4,151

19 Tyler Walker 3,485

20 Shane Stewart 3,266

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