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  ASCS Officials got caught changing heat race lineups to favor National teams in the NW Region.  Be sure they post the pilldraw sheet next to the line up board. 

JUST KEEP'N EM HONEST

So let me get this straight. A Northwest car has won 3 out of the 4 National shows up here so far.........Maybe they need to do more fixing on there line ups to favor them nationals guys. 

I don't aim to please.
I aim to hit the target.

Any proof of this? Would be pretty shocking if it were true. 

Examples, please.   

Which drivers were cheated & which officials got caught ?

We need to see PROOF

There is a thread about it on NWRacechat

Well then it must be true if someone put it on the internet! 

Outside of the 33 and the 05 of Loyet (should have been in the other heat race (same starting position) and the 18 and 11 (same scenario) and the 55 and 2L (same scenario), what's the beef?

If anything, it looks to me like the 2L and the 05 got put into even HARDER heat races, not easier ones....

Didn't Crockett win the feature?  Is he on here complaining about being in the wrong heat race?

Just incase you can't see it the draw was 

94 23 9a 4j 17w 97 9r 71 33v 33 o5 29 7n 18 11 3  21t 88 55 2L 0j 194 

So if you know how it works you'll see they move 33 o5 18 11 55 and 2L

Night one they move 23 and 88 they got caught andconfronted and didn't switch line ups at grove which is pretty funny looking at results. And if you know how they do the lineups you know this is no accident because if you miss one car from that car on would be wrong which isn't the case. And to say it doesn't matter is bs. One its in the rule book on how it should be and two ....these are points races for regional guys and when you mess with lineups it does change starting positions in the feature and messes with points. And if national guys are so good and the cream rises to the top then why dont they just race the heat they drew? Their so great they'll make it right? Lol rights right don't try and justify their wrong! And please pass this on to all other regions because they have no problem screwing them as well. They get show up money and provisionals they do not need help. both nights at elma the high points guy was a car they moved ...23 and 2L 

And to ascs if your going to Dick with the lineup can you not make it cost ten dollars?  we already pay at the gate to get into your circus. I think everyone would be happier knowing your going to screw them and keep there ten bucks 

@ Vande77 

Whatever you say mustache. I can only explain it to you i can't comprehend it for you. 

uhhhh, who besides the 05 and 2L are National racers, the 33, 18, 11 and 55 aren't.

If I remember the format correctly, you get PASSING POINTS, by moving the 33, 18 and 55 to EASIER heat races, doesn't that make it easier for them to get more points and start up front in the feature and actually PENALIZE the Nationals teams by putting them with stiffer compettion?

If this is the big deal you are trying to make it out to be, I'd be concerned, but it's not like you drew the #1 pill and instead of starting on the pole of heat race #1, they started you on the outside of row #3.

This is why I HATE when they draw for position, they should time trial during hotlaps and then line you up in heat races (that way if you're slow, you can't try to blame anyone else by saying they put you in the wrong heat race or gave preferential treatment to driver X).

Considering the 41 car isn't on the draw sheet tells me this wasn't a National Show, maybe you should be complaining to the regional officials instead of on a message board.  Wait, maybe they were actually trying to help the REGIONAL guys out with the lineup by moving them to what they perceived to be "easier" heat races...

This is second day of a two day show in elma where they lock In top four so why in the Hell would Johnson be on this board? And why are you arguing. If they say line up based on draw make it that ...period it doesn't matter who it benefits who it hurts its not right. Some days it helps you some days it dont! I agree with time ins. But at the end of this convo how can you sit and say yeah that's ok to move em no big. Its not PERIOD 

And I didn't start this little thread ...people asked for proof and they got it. All I asked is if they are going to mess with it then tell the racers. and if its not a big deal and it helps the regional guys then don't hide it! If your not in the wrong don't hide it. If ascs national guys are being so swell to help everyone out why hide it  Or if it really doesnt matter like you argue then why the Hell do it in the first damn place. Please explain that mustache. 

Donny Schatz got moved from heat #1 to heat #5 during the KNOXVILLE NATIONALS one year not too long ago becuase there were not 10 cars in heat #1 due to a couple of scratches.

They moved him to heat #5 so he had to start 10th in his heat race instead of 8th (due to a car starting in front of him scratching.

They only complaint from people was that he got to race when the track was "widened out", no one complained that they moved him from heat #1 to heat #5 because ALL heat races are hard, doesn't matter who the competition is anymore becuase EVERYONE has access to the same parts, pieces and motors.

Like I said, as long as they didn't penalize the teams by moving their position, to me it's no big deal,  They were starting in position X in heat race #1 or heat race #3.  You still have to pass the cars in front of you (and they aren't all heavy hitters, if anything the National teams got put into HARDER heat races.

Unless yo are with car #33, 18, 11 or 55, why do you even care?  And if you're with #11, why do you care, didn't he win the feature??

Like I asked and you didn't answer ....if it doesn't matter ...why do it? And I am not with a car I go watch the sport I love and was discusted when I seen this. and clearly you weren't at elma and have no clue who won. And for the hundredth time rights right and if thir not doing wrong then they should address the issue. And why not call them out on it. So of you don't work for ascs then I don't care to argue with  you 

Messing with the draw is absurd in any form. 

Were you as disgusted when you see the ASCS NW region allowing non-ascs engines to compete during ASCS NW regional races?

I'm all for following the written rules and supporting the plight of those who feel or are wronged.  But not when they pick and choose what they believe is right, wrong, or acceptable.

Besides, this never happened.  Right Bob?

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at all.

I have no connection to that race at all but I care.  Why, because it's the freaking rules.  If they're not going to follow the simplest of rules they have in the rulebook what else are they going to do or not do!  ASCS has given itself enough bad PR the last couple of years with the purse cuts, lack of engine rule enforcement, etc, etc.  They don't need more.  Making the lineup isn't rocket science.  Either someone just didn't pay attention, they're incompetent, or they did it on purpose.  None of the above is acceptable.  Just do things right.  Is that really too much to ask?

I totally agree all should be followed in the rule book. That's just not what we were speaking about on this thread. But feel free to make another one. Might as well call them put on Everything ha

making a line-up isn't rocket science, I agree.

But I've sat in many a grandstand and heard "fans" complain becuase driver XX didn't get to race his heat race because he was the last car out for time trials and lost a motor and then was in the 1st heat race.  those "fans' complained because the track wouldn't "move" driver X from heat 1 to the last heat so they at least had a chance of racing.

From the Donny Schatz post I made, the rule that year was quick time stated 10th in their heat.  To follow that rule, they had to move him from one heat to another, Or change EVERY heat line-up and not just heat #1 and #5.

Were there extenuating circumstances in Elma, (I have no idea), but what if the local drivers were the ones that asked to be moved to another heat becuase they needed to change a rear-end, change a motor, or the driver was sick.

Every track and sanctioning body has a rule that also states:  Exceptions to printed rulebook can be mae at competition director's discretion.  Maybe he made the decision to even out competition, or in this case it looks to me like it was to give the local teams a better shot at starting up front in the feature.

Rules are rules, but as the old saying goes:  He who writes the rules, Rules....