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April 04, 2013 at
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Posted By: pitguy14 on April 04 2013 at 01:37:25 PM
I am all for it, too. Drivers could be randomly tested, and you can do it and keep it quiet. NASCAR tests drivers a lot and you never hear about it unless a driver tests positive. If a driver does test positive, suspend them until they can get cleaned up however long that is. My concern would be if it's a local driver, are they suspended from that track only or should he/she get a universal suspension nation wide? A driver at track A could get a suspension for a positive test but track B could say you can race here because you didn't test positive at our track. This is an issue that each and every track and racing series needs to be on the same page.
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I don't think it should be up to the track. Some tracks have these guys a couple of times a year, and they race multiple other tracks too. It should be a National database.....
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April 04, 2013 at
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I don't know about Reid but Pelosi isn't on drugs. She's just that wacko!
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April 04, 2013 at
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Posted By: Speedbump on April 04 2013 at 02:39:25 PM
How many drugs do they screen for that $28?
What drugs and at what amounts in your system would result in a violation?
If you include marijuana in the list of banned drugs, at what level? Would races held in the states of Washington or Colorado be exempt? What about California and a host of other states that issue prescription marijuana? Would you be violating HIPPA code if you DQ'd for a medically prescribed substance?
Maybe in an effort to standardize the test and penalties, SFI could somehow get involved. Most sanctioning bodies require SFI approved safety gear....
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Yes, you should be violated for an approved prescribed substance. You can take a pain killer, get in an accident, and if they test you, you could get a DUI, DWI, or whatever they may call it where you live. You could take a prescribed 'upper' and are just as guilty as driving after 4, 5 beers. I know that with a CDL, there is no QUESTION. If it is in you, you pay, no questions asked.
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April 04, 2013 at
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April 04, 2013 at
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I say no to drug testing and here is my thought on why......
So lets say a guy who drinks 2 30 packs of beer a day, and not on race day should be able to drive a race car, but a guy who smokes pot every day and not on race day should not be in a race car. I do not see any difference in these two drugs other than one is legal and one isn't. I don't understand the logic here. The drunk will pass a wizz quiz if he drank two days before, but I stoner won't. Just because the drug is still in his system days or weeks at a time does not mean he was High the day he took the test. I admit I have drank beer ( quit in 2006) and I smoke pot (Still do to this day). I can tell you right now that Beer effects your system harder than any pot That I've ever smoked. I can smoke pot All day and wake up tomorrow with no effects from the drug, but if i drink 2 30 packs in a day and wake up the next morning I'm still drunk and hung over for a good part of that day. How many drivers have raced hung over and still drunk from the night before? By this logic he shouldn't even be in the pits just the same as if a driver smoked pot or any other drug the day before. A drug is a Drug and Alcohol is one of the worst. What make one drug user better than the other? Alcohol is just looked at differently because it is legal. What's funny is a lot of you crying for drug tests are probably drunks, and being hypercritic.
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April 04, 2013 at
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I agree Slink..
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April 04, 2013 at
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Posted By: Paintboss on April 04 2013 at 05:13:06 PM
I agree Slink..
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Try to tell that to the Truck Driver powers that be, when you have a 'fail' after smoking pot 3 weeks ago
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April 04, 2013 at
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Posted By: SLINK51 on April 04 2013 at 04:56:35 PM
I say no to drug testing and here is my thought on why......
So lets say a guy who drinks 2 30 packs of beer a day, and not on race day should be able to drive a race car, but a guy who smokes pot every day and not on race day should not be in a race car. I do not see any difference in these two drugs other than one is legal and one isn't. I don't understand the logic here. The drunk will pass a wizz quiz if he drank two days before, but I stoner won't. Just because the drug is still in his system days or weeks at a time does not mean he was High the day he took the test. I admit I have drank beer ( quit in 2006) and I smoke pot (Still do to this day). I can tell you right now that Beer effects your system harder than any pot That I've ever smoked. I can smoke pot All day and wake up tomorrow with no effects from the drug, but if i drink 2 30 packs in a day and wake up the next morning I'm still drunk and hung over for a good part of that day. How many drivers have raced hung over and still drunk from the night before? By this logic he shouldn't even be in the pits just the same as if a driver smoked pot or any other drug the day before. A drug is a Drug and Alcohol is one of the worst. What make one drug user better than the other? Alcohol is just looked at differently because it is legal. What's funny is a lot of you crying for drug tests are probably drunks, and being hypercritic.
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I 'm not crying for drug tests. I just do not feel it is a bad idea across the board. I have a CDL, as I have said before, and I cannot even think of the last time I indulged, in anything, except for some alcohol on the weekends. My job is too damn important to me, to screw t up....
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April 04, 2013 at
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If someone is smoking dope or drinking too much maybe they don't belong behind the wheel of a race car. The decision to do the drugs and drink the beers was a personal decision, the same as getting into a Sprint Car. People make their own decisions. I agree with Slinks argument. He is right, but my take would be that Alcohol becomes a no-no as well, not the other way around. I have seen far too many people who are still under the effect of a substance at local tracks to be comfortable with it either way, whether they were drunk at the time or hung over from the night before should not matter. We should have testing. Like Maddog53 stated, if the racing means enough to you maybe you can stay clean. Like a job, there are responsibilities.
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Posted By: SLINK51 on April 04 2013 at 04:56:35 PM
I say no to drug testing and here is my thought on why......
So lets say a guy who drinks 2 30 packs of beer a day, and not on race day should be able to drive a race car, but a guy who smokes pot every day and not on race day should not be in a race car. I do not see any difference in these two drugs other than one is legal and one isn't. I don't understand the logic here. The drunk will pass a wizz quiz if he drank two days before, but I stoner won't. Just because the drug is still in his system days or weeks at a time does not mean he was High the day he took the test. I admit I have drank beer ( quit in 2006) and I smoke pot (Still do to this day). I can tell you right now that Beer effects your system harder than any pot That I've ever smoked. I can smoke pot All day and wake up tomorrow with no effects from the drug, but if i drink 2 30 packs in a day and wake up the next morning I'm still drunk and hung over for a good part of that day. How many drivers have raced hung over and still drunk from the night before? By this logic he shouldn't even be in the pits just the same as if a driver smoked pot or any other drug the day before. A drug is a Drug and Alcohol is one of the worst. What make one drug user better than the other? Alcohol is just looked at differently because it is legal. What's funny is a lot of you crying for drug tests are probably drunks, and being hypercritic.
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That's exactly what I was thinking about alcohol,if you're going to test for drugs then they should be testing for alcohol as well.I don't do either,but just because alcohol is legal, it also kills more people than a pot smoker.
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April 04, 2013 at
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Posted By: maddog53 on April 04 2013 at 05:21:46 PM
I 'm not crying for drug tests. I just do not feel it is a bad idea across the board. I have a CDL, as I have said before, and I cannot even think of the last time I indulged, in anything, except for some alcohol on the weekends. My job is too damn important to me, to screw t up....
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My whole point is what makes one drug ok and others not? To me alcohol is no different than the others. Other than being legal. If your not going to let one race neither should the other.
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Posted By: Speedbump on April 04 2013 at 02:39:25 PM
How many drugs do they screen for that $28?
What drugs and at what amounts in your system would result in a violation?
If you include marijuana in the list of banned drugs, at what level? Would races held in the states of Washington or Colorado be exempt? What about California and a host of other states that issue prescription marijuana? Would you be violating HIPPA code if you DQ'd for a medically prescribed substance?
Maybe in an effort to standardize the test and penalties, SFI could somehow get involved. Most sanctioning bodies require SFI approved safety gear....
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That $28.00 test for all street drugs and synthetic drugs and out lab is out of Tennessee. We pay $90.00 to add steroids to the drug panel.
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Posted By: Speedkills on April 04 2013 at 03:41:29 PM
Even if you said $28, which to me seems low also, but at that if you got 50 drivers in all classes to your track that evening and paid that for 50 drug tests, thats $1400, I highly doubt that any promoter or tracker owner is going to spend at least that every week to drug test the drivers.
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You don't need to do 50 tests...a random test of 4-6 each night would be plenty. The test is a deterrent so you will take a chance each week it you choose to use. A trace in the system for all drugs is considered positive except caffeine...that has a minimal level but no need to test for that in sprint car racing.
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April 04, 2013 at
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Posted By: maddog53 on April 04 2013 at 05:21:46 PM
I 'm not crying for drug tests. I just do not feel it is a bad idea across the board. I have a CDL, as I have said before, and I cannot even think of the last time I indulged, in anything, except for some alcohol on the weekends. My job is too damn important to me, to screw t up....
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Same here.... We have had random UA Tests at work for years now. Not worth losing a job.
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Yes I`m for it... drug testing is a good thing at any level !
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I just got to know Slink.....since you said it two times....how many people do you know that can drink 60 beers in a day (2 30 packs as you call it)?
I agree with drug testing and breathalyzer at the race track.
I also think the entire country needs to legalize pot (never have tried it) and tax it and get this country out of debt.
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April 04, 2013 at
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Hell, if they had drug testing in the 70's and 80's, racetracks would have been empty....
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Posted By: sonoranrat on April 04 2013 at 09:32:23 PM
Hell, if they had drug testing in the 70's and 80's, racetracks would have been empty....
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If they do drug testing they should do a mouth swab... Doesn't test for as much stuff but weed only stays in your saliva for a day or 2
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Posted By: Bonose34 on April 04 2013 at 08:52:01 PM
I just got to know Slink.....since you said it two times....how many people do you know that can drink 60 beers in a day (2 30 packs as you call it)?
I agree with drug testing and breathalyzer at the race track.
I also think the entire country needs to legalize pot (never have tried it) and tax it and get this country out of debt.
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I know a few. One of my old friends couldn't go ANYWHERE!!! without his beer. He even would carry a 6 pack to work for lunch he worked the night shift where there was no Bigwigs and he was the Night shift Sup. He would sit in his car and drink six beers in a half hour time period. He would wake up drink one Pepsi, and the rest of the day drink beer.Every day his wife brought him home 2 30 packs of Budweiser. Hell You don't know or have known anyone who drank a 5th a day, or seen anyone drink a whole 30 pack at the races. I know I have.
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60 beers a day, I got to meet these dudes! I'm calling bullshit on this story.
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60 beers a day, I got to meet these dudes!
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