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I think that somewhere in the WoO Chalkboard Rule Book there are "Track Provisionals"...

This has happened numerous times @ the Pink Hair Lady's Cow Palace and, if I'm not mistaken, the WoO get an extra provisional when this occurs...I also believe tha the track picks up the extra purse money when such an occasion occurs...

Hope this helps...

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It was said live on DV and in the stands Netto had 2 reasons he got a provisional.

Reason 1: The WoO said they didn't give him time to fix his car after the 7s wrecked him under yellow.

Reason 2: DJ Netto is the Rebelcup champion. The Rebelcup is a series that runs at Hanford and Tulare, so he earned a track provisional.

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Look it up :-) Section 8

http://www.woosprint.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=703:downloads&catid=59

I actually looked up the details for a provisional for a woo sprint main. It was informative.

It reada section 8 - H.) At tracks where a weekly sprint car program is raced and pointed, the promoter
may install a program identically paid and pointed as the WoO provisional’s, for
up to 2 local drivers.

Define weekly?

I looked for results for the rebel 360 series at Tulare for 2012. This is what I found for thunderbowl results directly from their website,

http://www.tularethunderbowl.com/raceresults.html

2012 Racing Results

Show my errors, why I don't see in the woo rulebook why ANY local track driver could get a track provisional from Tulare. At the track at Hanford, Chico, I could understand this. Does this mean at Perris, they can nominate a non wing driver and put him into the main?. Did Netto get a provisional based on the 2013 points in WOO? One of the top two guy in points (who was not DQ ) who did not make a main. (when I looked at current points, Netto is 31st, Sam H and Greg Wilson are 13th and 14th in points, thus they would be ahead of Netto ? Austin Wheatly is even ahead of Netto in points. Anyway, a driver that ran just 4 nights be egible for a provisonal anyway.

If I remember correctly, there is ZERO work area time once a race is 1/2 over. Therefore Netto had no chance of repairing the car, they would have started the race once he pulled in the pit area.

Now, as far as intentional spinning of another competitor. How do you KNOW it was intentional? Were you in the cockpit with Netto and hear him say aloud that he was gonna spin him??

From all reports (official and unofficial by those in the stands), it was a racing deal when Netto and Sides got together and Sides spun. It happens at racetracks all over the US in all divisions (although for some strange reasoning, IMCA and others will allow the car in front to clip another car and spin themselves out and then give them their spot back and DQ the car they clipped).

If the WoO officials had determined that Netto spun Sides on purpose, they would've DQ'd him the same they did Sides. As it were, they apparently saw it as a racing deal and then had to react when Sides decided to play games under the caution.

Sides was not eligible for a provisional as he didn't follow the WoO tour last season (he hasn't earned his provisionals for 2013 yet if my memory serves me correct as far as the # of races that have to be run prior to provisionals being awarded).

Is that correct Vande that Jason doesn't have provisionals, I was under the understanding that they get the provisionals with the signing of the Platinum Member contract, of which Jason is a member of for 2013. The reason I question it is because on DV on Sat. they were talking about whether Jason was going to be able to use a provisional still or not and the answer that came down was he couldn't because of the DQ, not because he doesn't have any.

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Per the WOO rulebook

b.) Beginning on the 6th night of racing, current Owner Points will determine
the provisional order.

I believe WOO had completed 7 nights of competition. So Sides being 2nd in points would have earned the provisonal (and guessing he should not have flown off the handle. I believe he would of have had a provisional. I am guessing, Sides (rightly) got DQ for the night due to his actions 1. ignoring WOO instructions to exit the track and 2. Crashing a car under yellow (next time he should do it under green

I don't understand why Netto got a provisional. Tulare is not a weekly sprint car track, and had zero rebel cup races at Tulare in 2012 according to Thunderbowls (Tulare) own website.

So by what criteria did Netto get a provisional. I don't care who spun who out, who's blame it is. Just trying to understand the criteria for provisionals. Sounds to me the promoter can add any two drivers he wants too. Wouldn't be the first time, and I have seen this at the Perris for the National Usac guys (I remember one year the track promoter gave Rip Williams an entry into the main after a miserable two prelim nights).

Not a big fan for provisionals, on the short track level you should earn a starting spot. But on the otherhand, if fans are spending $45 a night, they want to see Sammy, Steve, Donny etc run the main even if they are having a bad night. Also it is good for the local fans to see their local hero (Netto or whoever) make the main. Does this mean Stockton and Chico can put whoever they want as promoters option this week?

In the rules that 8.0 B. explains why Jason has provisionals, he did not race the entire season last year so after the 5th race of this season(which we are past) and assuming he is in good standing you are considered Platinum and recieve your 2 provisionals just like the other Platinum members who competed the entire season before.

As far as the promoter provisional, With the way that is written I'd say there's abit of discretion room and if the WoO are ok with the promoter using it then thats the call. This does not come up very often and I highly doubt that by them doing this now there going to have locals begging to be put in the show just because they didn't make it. I think you and me are are on the same page that in the end what Jason did was a bone headed move and it just appears the WoO did what they could to make it up to the kid.

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Every rule book that I have ever seen has a EIRI rule (Except In Rare Instances) This rule is basically a get out of jail card for the promoter which allows him to do whatever he wants to make things right in his mind.

Whether or not this rule was used for the provisional is debatable, however using this rule to hand out the provisional in question would make sense.

Here is the simple answer with few words,sides was parked for his actions under the caution,and netto recieved the old promoters option,plus sides requested to use his provisional and was told no by WoO,that would have been a mistake to let sides run the feature,after he was parked during the B main,WoO made the correct decision in my opinion.WoO did not put him in the feature,Tulure put up the extra money to include Netto in the feature,all tracks are allowed this promoters option,but very few put up the money to make it happen,good job Tulare.

In years past it was 8-10 events (seemed to vary based on rainouts) unless you ran the full season the year prior, didn't realize they changed it to 5 events for this year.

Bottom line is that he was DQ'd for driving stupid during the "B" under caution. IMO, the Outlaw officials got backed into a corner by Jason himself when he chose to retaliate when the officials saw it as a "racing deal".

jdfaast said, "Not a big fan for provisionals."

I'm with you on that. I really dislike the use of them. I feel each racer should race his way into the feature.

Hey, Rosie is an example.....she got a provisional for a buffet line and look what happened!

 
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