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Beings the car is going to run a true outlaw schedule, not running for any PA points and the driver has obviously side-stepped the question last year, does Paul driving the 51 car become posse? Im saying no. What if the 51 starts out hot and they continue the outlaw tour out West? If the car doesnt race full time in PA and the driver doesnt acknowledge being posse, how can it be?

i hope that the 51 teams becomes a true outlaw,run where the most money is,points racing isnt that profitable anymore.

I myself do not consider him posse. I dont know too many people that considered him Posse last year whenever he got the ride.

Ask Frank

If a driver wins races in PA, regardless of where he is from, the PA fans on here consider him Posse!

Looking forward to the new Golden State King of the 
West series schedule! 

Winged sprintcars = the fastest and most exciting 
racecars on dirt! 

Isn't the answer the same as, is Tim Shaffer Posse? Tim himself says he does not consider himself Posse. I would say the only kink that would get thrown in that answer would be if Paul won a Big show in PA, then many would be calling him Posse.

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I didn't say all from PA would Slink, I said many, maybe that is even over doing it, maybe I should say some would

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He's not Posse until he beats the Outlaws again, and Cubes will be chanting "McPosse" haha

I dont care what race he wins and where he wins it at, he aint posse in my book and never will be. Nor do many people think Tim Shaffer is posse.

Here is what Paul said after he won at Williams Grove in the 51:

McMahan Claims Williams Grove WoO National Open Prelim

50^th Annual National Open Pays $50,000 To Win Saturday

Williams Grove Speedway

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

9/28/12

Mechanicsburg – "I've been called a lot of things, but never Pennsylvania Posse," said Tennessee's Paul McMahan moments after scoring the World of Outlaws National Open Preliminary at Williams Grove Speedway on Friday night.

Until recently when he was named the driver of the CJB Motorsports No. 51 replacing Fred Rahmer, McMahan had spent his career as a traveler but no more as the newest adopted Posse member, who let his colors shine Friday night coming out ahead in a stirring battle for the lead and win with Greg Hodnett and Kerry Madsen.

Australian Madsen started on the pole of the 25-lap main alongside Lucas Wolfe and it was Madsen taking control from the start with Wolfe and McMahan in tow.

McMahan got by Wolfe for second on the second circuit but soon had pressure from third starter Stevie Smith, who drove into second on the ninth tour before the leader entered the backmarkers with 11 laps down.

By that time, fifth starter Hodnett of Thomasville was up to fourth in what was turning out to be a non-stop affair as heavy lapped traffic became a factor, allowing both McMahan and Hodnett to capitalize.

McMahan squeezed by Smith for second again on the 12^th lap and was followed by Hodnett a lap later.

The race for the lead was intense by the time there was 10 laps to go with McMahan and Hodnett crawling all over Madsen's No. 29 for the lead when the events only caution flag unfurled with nine laps to go, setting up a double-file restart.

And what a restart it was with Madsen choosing the inside lane for the restart flanked by McMahan with Hodnett inside third flanked by Smith.

When the field thundered into the first corner, Madsen found McMahan to his inside as they entered the corner and Hodnett choosing the middle lane through the turns.

Hodnett drew even with McMahan but watched as Madsen used his momentum on the top to slingshot even with the pair as they all began to shoot onto the backstretch off of the second corner.

The three-wide trio watched as real estate quickly narrowed exiting the second turn and although Hodnett seemed to have the run going to squirt into the lead through the pair, he was forced to back out of the throttle in order to avoid causing a massive crash that may have resulted.

That gave McMahan all the chance he needed to surge ahead as he raced toward the third corner and take the lead and begin driving away to the $8,000 victory.

Hodnett regrouped and took second with six laps left and ran down leader McMahan on the final lap.

He took a shot for the win off of turn four for the checkers but crossed the stripe one car length out of the lead, .166 seconds behind.

"We were pretty good and went out late in qualifying and pulled one out of our ass," Williams Grove point leader Hodnett said of how his night started.

"I was probably in position but if I would have forced it I probably would have crashed us all," he said of his run on the lap-16 restart that could have netted him the lead and win.

McMahan talked about the same battle on the restart.

"It got real tight there," he said.

"I had big shoes to fill (in this car). The guy's a legend and he's a great friend of mine," McMahan said of his predecessor in the No. 51, Fred Rahmer.

"I'm just a kid from California (his native state) trying to do what I love to do."

Madsen ended up third followed by Tim Shaffer and Wolfe.

Sixth through 10^th went to Smith, Kraig Kinser, Donny Schatz, Steve Kinser and Jac Haudenschild.

A huge field of 55 sprint cars signed in for action with Stevie Smith setting fast time, turning a lap of 17.162 seconds in qualifying.

The five heat races went to Craig Dollansky, Schatz, Hodnett, Shaffer and McMahan.

Sam Hafertepe Jr. took the C Main with Brent Marks scoring the B Main. Madsen earned the pole for the feature by winning the dash.

Williams Grove returns to action Saturday night with the 50^th annual National Open, paying $50,000 to win, at 7:30 pm.

Keep up to date on all the latest speedway news and information by visiting the oval's official website at www.williamsgrove.com or by visiting the oval on Facebook or via Twitter

September 28, 2012 Feature Finish:

410 sprint cars, 25 laps: 1. Paul McMahan, 2. Greg Hodnett, 3. Kerry Madsen, 4. Tim Shaffer, 5. Lucas Wolfe, 6. Stevie Smith, 7. Kraig Kinser, 8. Donny Schatz, 9. Steve Kinser, 10. Jac Haudenschild, 11. Brian Leppo, 12. Joey Saldana, 13. Danny Dietrich, 14. Craig Dollansky, 15. Sammy Swindell, 16. Jason Sides, 17. Daryn Pittman, 18. Chad Layton, 19. Cody Darrah, 20. Mike Erdley, 21. Brian Montieth, 22. Ryan Taylor, 23. Chad Kemenah, 24. Brent Marks, 25. Doug Esh, 26. Gerard McIntyre Jr.

DNQ: Dale Blaney, Don Kretiz Jr., Cory Haas, Danny Lasoski, Fred Rahmer, Steve Buckwalter, Danny Holtgraver, Sheldon Haudenschild, Lance Dewease, Niki Young, David Gravel, Sam Hafertepe Jr., Logan Schuchart, Jessica Zemken, Ryan Smith, Tim Glatfelter, Bill Rose, Alan Krimes, Adam Wilt, Nicole Bower, Curt Michael, Rodney Westhafer, Troy Fraker, Michael Ruttkamp, Jim Seigel, Derek Sell, Randy Baughman, Kyle Larson, Ed Lynch Jr.

Northern California Sprintcars

I think the 51 car will be in Pa more than not!! The way the 51 finishes will dictate how much/ often they travel!! There is more to this story than Fred not winning!!!!

I agree Shaffer is not Posse, just a little too far West for that. But don't over look some of the good racers coming out of Western PA. Newest one to emerge, Danny Holtgraver. Look for big things out of this kid in the coming years.

Come on man,paul grew up racin sprinters in california,correct me if i am wrong to be posse u have to be born there,live there,race there,win there,race only there.