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Hey just was hearing some talk lately about the move to get rid of 410's at knoxville?making them a special event item. Is this a vicous rumor or is it a done deal?      I remember talking to a well known figure from Arizona that mentioned when they did away with the 410's at Manzanita and ran em occasionally they lost the Western World Nationals.  Now im no dummy, Knoxville could never lose there Nationals because in my opinion it would be much like the Indy split from years ago it was still indy and its still knoxville but damn it would sure take some air out of the event.

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The 410 class is so fun to watch! But for the drivers and owners its so hard to be able to fund a race team that is able to keep up with the top 3 or 4 teams in the 410's that have 3 times the budget of all the other 410 racers! Somebody needs to find some ways to make the cost of a 410 team decrease, otherwise there will be less and less teams every year!

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I think with the reduction of traction caused by the new tire rule, and maybe a reduction/restriction in the wings as was alluded to by DIRT last night on Katiches program, maybe some day, a $10,000 motor can give a $50,000 motor all it can handle.

Heck, maybe the drivers skill will even enter into the race.

BTW, the HUGE enclosed trailers are NOT designed to haul the cars, just the money to operate one for a few weeks.

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Duane, it is already taking place, it's called nonwing racing and you need to look no further than Indiana or California to see some fine examples on most Friday or Saturday nights..

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I can't imagine Knoxville dropping their weekly 410 class.  You've seen/heard about the crowd size on the nights that they're not racing.  Some of the crowd would stay just because they want to see racing every week, but I think it would be a paltry crowd and the track would struggle until they brought the 410s back every week.

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Too bad they didn't just go to a smaller bi-directional one tire a night however...oh yeah, Hoosier wouldn't be able to have a monopoly then...my mistake...lol. 

 
 
 
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we will no longer see many non wing shows at Knoxville.

WAY to many drivers killed or hurt bad.

I would guess that is why the flat track bikes aren't there also.

The joint is plain flat too fast.

The track was way too fast for the Midgets last week as witnessed by the severity of the accidents also.

Non wings are a blast on the smaller tracks however.

Now, the boat anchors of the old silver crown cars, that is a different (insert snore) story.

Only one word describes them. BORING

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I say put a 13 inch wide tire on them and to heck with the brand.

It would slow the cars down, make passing a matter of skill and shut a couple of posse fans up lol

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Duano, yer gettin' too old to appreciate the "big cars" gracefully circulating a long oval. Different from a sprint car rodeo-ing around a heavy track but excellent to watch none the less. A fine wine vs. a cold beer, shall we say? Ya gotta appreciate the bouquet of the champ cars, and forget about smell of MD20/20

I don't see this happening. If they think they have problems now, remove the 410's and they will have to pay the bills with monopoly money. It is just more backwards thinking BS on the part of Knoxville Raceway. I used to be a diehard at Knoxville every week without fail until I just got tired of their arrogance and they way they treat the fans. The decline for me started when they stopped allowing us to camp on the fairgrounds during the Nationals and it just slowly progressed from there. We used to have so much fun and we would meet 10-12 friends there every week. Then 12 became 10 and 10 became 8, you get the picture. Eventually none of us went anymore. The reasons didn't lie in the racing, the racing has always been good. The reasons were because of the way things are run and how smug Knoxville is about it. They make you feel like they are not there to service the fans and the fans should be more then happy to service the track. Basically a, if you don't like it, kiss our ass attitude. And for christsakes curb the damn police. If people are not bothering anyone else or actually breaking the law, leave them the hell alone. That people, in a nut shell is why Knoxville is having problems for weekly shows. My god look at the way Newton is promoting and trying to bend over backwards to please. Knoxville could learn a lot from everything they see going on but I doubt that they will. And would they read this post and take any of it under consideration? I seriously doubt it.

I thought I've been pretty quiet...lol. 15"-16" wide with a flat top wing with the left sideboard lowered a little would be fine...lol.

 
 
 
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Now Offie you know Duane isn't into diversity.... IT just has to be a follower the leader, dusty, no passing speed fest to make him happy...LOL !!! Heaven forbid something like a real silver crown show....But given all that I did see some passin at the last dirt show.. I was on the front straight watching the follow leader deal and Then, right in front of me in section D I saw some guy make this huge pass on a chick.......... To bad he missed the line and it didn't stick>>>LOL !!

she slapped my face and it DID stick LOL

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I hope Cappy's comments are more cautionary than directive. It's not the first time he's said such things over the years. If Knoxville were to eliminate 410's on a weekly basis, the Nationals would be in for a big hurt. That starts struggling and pretty soon, developers have another addition for Westridge Estates. Anybody who thinks Knoxville can be just fine with 360's/305's doesn't understand the picture at all.

What NEEDS to happen is that Knoxville must take an active role in furthering the cause of 410 winged sprint car racing in the region and nationally. Start by trying to do a better job of getting more of the good raceteams in Ohio and PA. to come to the Nationals. Help facilitate the growth of 410 racing in the midwest by encouraging other tracks and series to run in the region.

Cappy's comments about lower attendance and consideration within five years of eliminating 410's has had a negative impact among current 410 racers at Knoxville and has met with dismay around the country.

Here's a synopsis of what raceteams and sponsors of those teams at Knoxville have told me; "when these comments where made in the most-read newspaper in Iowa, people who we (teams) have approached for sponsorship read this and asked what is going on...why should they invest in something that is struggling so mightily? This has an effect of telling everyone who is involved, or who may want to be involved in 410 sprint car racing, that there are serious issues. We race for a purse that really hasn't increased much over the years and now, we are publically being told that the track has concerns about paying the purse. We have invested in the sport, what becomes of us in the long term. Knoxville needs to find a way to attract fans because it's a good product. Everytime there is a problem financially in the sport, people want to blame the cars and competitors, not the way tracks operate. The comments from Cappy add to the negativity within the sport, making it even harder for us to do our jobs. what do we tell sponsors, ect. when we try to get them involved."

I'm afraid that if Knoxville isn't careful, the place could very well lose its position as the "sprint car capitol of the world".

Frankly, dropping 410's COULD happen some day but I DON'T think it will happen. At least, not anytime soon.

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ditto...i love wing sprint races, they are super fast and exciting for the most part...but the resurgence of nonwing cars has been a blessing to indiana...no matter what part of the state you are there is a sprint car race happening some where around you during the weekend, not to mention a wealth of special events and series happening...there isn't an oversaturation of huge race trailers and high priced equipment...most wins come from skill and knowledge of the tracks

"Help facilitate the growth of 410 racing in the midwest by encouraging other tracks and series to run in the region." Amen to that John !!!!!!

Central PA 4 weekly tracks --- IA 1 and there the problem lies when all the air rushes out of the Iowa Speedway balloon which I think it will when they can't deliver a cup race and Iowans start to balk at 2nd rate shows ----it would be great to see a "Husets style" 3/8 built in central or eastern IA and grab some Friday night dates and also maybe a "knoxville on tour" wednesday nights in the summer touring series of other IA tracks. Why not try to land a Kum&Go or Caseys to be the title sponsor to this and see some new fans around IA anything is better than sitting on our hands

Duane, You should come see the big cars @ Eldora during the 4 Crown, Mike Brecht has put on a show every time he has been in 1. Like 22nd to 3rd the 1st time he ran, banging the rightrear off the wall in 1 & 2. It was great.

I don't buy that one bit. If you think Knoxville is too fast for midgets, don't ever go to the Belleville Midget Nationals. Picture a 1/2 mile (more like 5/8's) highbanked track with midgets FLATFOOTING it all the way around.

I realize that a lot of drivers have been killed at Knoxville in nonwing cars, but the steps made in driver safety over the last 8 to 10 years has made a vast improvement in survivability. Matter of fact, I think it is safe to say that these days, a winged car is more dangerous than the nonwinged. With the winged car, the speeds are much higher and drivers have a lot less time to react when approaching another wrecked car.

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