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August 12, 2012 at
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Just curious if running a 305 is much cheaper then the open 360s?
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August 12, 2012 at
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When you get the answer, let us know. Because out here in the Great Northwest, some people have a fantasy that it will be cheaper to run crate sprints then it is to run a 360. I can't wait to here the reasoning behind the proponents of a cheaper sprintcar class.
The greatest knowledge is to know that you know nothing
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August 13, 2012 at
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Posted By: CC23 on August 12 2012 at 11:12:48 PM
Just curious if running a 305 is much cheaper then the open 360s?
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yes they are alot less $ than a open 360. Open means spend all you want. The 305 can be built with alot of good used parts. The Racesaver engine is sealed, and the rules keep engine price down. I think it is crazy to spend $25,000 on a 305 as some pro engine shops charge.
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August 13, 2012 at
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Posted By: linbob on August 13 2012 at 02:34:06 AM
yes they are alot less $ than a open 360. Open means spend all you want. The 305 can be built with alot of good used parts. The Racesaver engine is sealed, and the rules keep engine price down. I think it is crazy to spend $25,000 on a 305 as some pro engine shops charge.
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Completely agree. Even though there are the people that dump S-loads of cash into a 305 operation, don't let it discourage you. Just because you have tons of money with all the new expensive parts and such, that does not make a driver.
I believe that on the Race Saver website, there is somewhat of a cost breakdown for a 305 operation.
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August 13, 2012 at
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There are other hidden cost savings as well including the cost and frequency of freshing the engine as well as tire wear involved. Yes the horsepower is lower but that means considerably less wheel spin meaningyou are not burning the tires up. Tracks do not rubber down near as fast either which means better racing. One other interesting side affect is the mentality involved.
Because everyone is not out trying to outspend everyone else, the attitude toward racing itself is generally a lot more relaxed.
I know a lot of people want to bash the whole 305 deal as a lesser sprint but believe me, Once the cars are all on the track racing each other, the racing is super competative and you will not be able to tell the difference between a 305, 360 and 410.
The 305s are allowing many who would not otherwise be racing to put a car together and live the dream. I know for myself, having done the 410 thing for so long, I am having the time of my life working with the 305s.
Paul Pittman - Carolina Sprint Series
(www.carolinasprints.com)
Just my $.02 worth.
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August 13, 2012 at
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Posted By: DirtnWings on August 13 2012 at 09:04:43 AM
There are other hidden cost savings as well including the cost and frequency of freshing the engine as well as tire wear involved. Yes the horsepower is lower but that means considerably less wheel spin meaningyou are not burning the tires up. Tracks do not rubber down near as fast either which means better racing. One other interesting side affect is the mentality involved.
Because everyone is not out trying to outspend everyone else, the attitude toward racing itself is generally a lot more relaxed.
I know a lot of people want to bash the whole 305 deal as a lesser sprint but believe me, Once the cars are all on the track racing each other, the racing is super competative and you will not be able to tell the difference between a 305, 360 and 410.
The 305s are allowing many who would not otherwise be racing to put a car together and live the dream. I know for myself, having done the 410 thing for so long, I am having the time of my life working with the 305s.
Paul Pittman - Carolina Sprint Series
(www.carolinasprints.com)
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I've grown up watching my father race sprint cars practically my entire life. We unfortunately have never had the cash flow to get me into a sprint car. Then the Race Saver came along. There is also a race saver series here in DFW ran by Smiley Sitton. It has given us hope for us to potentially live our dream of a father and son operation.
I am never giving up and I will continue to work towards that dream. But if it not for this series, and set of strict rules, we would most likely just be attending races for the rest of our lives.
True, people do bash the 305's. And yes, they are slower, but you know what? Not everyone has the means to just hop right into a 360, or limited sprint, or even a 410. 305's give people hope to one day advance to bigger and better things.
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August 13, 2012 at
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not to mention the lower horsepower reduces maintenance on the rest of the drivetrain
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August 13, 2012 at
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Posted By: linbob on August 13 2012 at 02:34:06 AM
yes they are alot less $ than a open 360. Open means spend all you want. The 305 can be built with alot of good used parts. The Racesaver engine is sealed, and the rules keep engine price down. I think it is crazy to spend $25,000 on a 305 as some pro engine shops charge.
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Exactly, the boys that spend 25000 plus are ruining it but then the rules allow it . People just can't figure it out but Smileys program in DFW works the best has most cars so go figure
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August 13, 2012 at
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The racesaver deal has a good set of rules but i think the URSS sprints in kansas/Colorado/Nebraska has a great deal too. They have similiar rules but use the S/R World Product heads. The heads are stamped and logged by Meyers Engine Service upon purchase. Can't touch them. I still have reservations on the aluminum head. The series has only ruined 1 or 2 S/R heads that couldn't be repaired in the four or five years since being implemented. Come in after a feature pegged on heat and haven't hurt one. We've blown a motor or two and haven't hurt one. And if I do hurt one, i got a new one Tuesday morning, certified for less than 300 bux, bare of course. I'm not sure if one could be repaired for that. I would rather have brand new than having labor/freight in a repaired one. I like everything about the racesaver deal except shuffling heads back and forth and the aluminum head, i just don't feel they can take the same abuse if you don't have the money to freshen often...just my opinion....good luck to you all!!!
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August 13, 2012 at
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it costs around 250 bucks a nite to run a 305 if you maintain your stuff well and drive less than an hour to the track .
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August 13, 2012 at
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250 is about right or a little less, we travel about an hour. It is a fun sprint car class, we run at 34 raceway and I like there rules.
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August 14, 2012 at
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You all need to check out the Northern Ohio 305s that run at Fremont and Attica. Talk about a beginner class that is out of control on spending. $20k for a motor to win $500. Now - that's the down side. The up side is...they are virtually identical to the 410 sprints other than motors and wing sliders. Lots of used parts can be found. They are only a tick slower than the 410's...and on a slick track will have faster lap times because they're getting more HP to the ground. In fact - a 305 sprint has beat the 360 sprints in all of the past 305/360 challenge races at Fremont. The class has been awesome to watch and has produced better racing than the 410s on many occasions. Lots of young guys start in 305s, lots of guys who can't afford to move up continue to race them, and lots of older guys move back to that class when rides are not available. No shortage of talent or excitement...at least in Ohio. You could say they are cheaper to run, but the payout is way less. In the end...you will outspend your budget in any class of race vehicle.
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August 14, 2012 at
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Thankyou for in info....
Any idea if a class like this would survive in ca?
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August 14, 2012 at
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If we can make it work in Stock Car Country (Charlotte), you should be able to make it work almost anywhere. Just depends on how it is managed.
Paul
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August 14, 2012 at
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Posted By: CC23 on August 14 2012 at 03:02:37 PM
Thankyou for in info....
Any idea if a class like this would survive in ca?
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California has about tillion people. I would say yes. You have to be able to have 21 plus cars before you schedual races. It looks real bad when you get a track signed up and 7 cars show up. All of Caifornia 305 have to have same ruleRacesaver might be the best for you because every thing is taken care of in rule book. If you form a club you have all the politics involved, and a couple of jack ass members will make group miserable.
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