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July 02, 2012 at
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I just read that eagle dropped 360s.
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July 02, 2012 at
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Going to IMCA racesaver crate 305s next year. 360s will finish this season.
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July 02, 2012 at
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Well, this is a forum of sharing opinions, views, and even rumors and since it is official news from Roger at the pit meeting, let the opinions rip! It is what these here forums are for!
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July 02, 2012 at
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July 02, 2012 at
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Rumour mill also has I80 shutting its doors at seasons end....Nebraska has officially dried up for sprint cars.....my racing dollar will be crossing the river to Iowa along with my gambling dollar and my gas dollar....screw it IM JUST GUNNA MOVE THERE!!!!!!!!
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July 02, 2012 at
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Posted By: everhard on July 02 2012 at 04:35:38 PM
I just read that eagle dropped 360s.
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Where did you read this? Sad that the 360 class has gotten so expensive. Please please don't open up rules on the 305s and make that class unaffordable also.
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July 03, 2012 at
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Ibracn.com had it posted. It is very sad. I used 2 go there a couple times a year, but year after year the races got worse. Too many support classes and poor track conditions by the time the 360s hit the track made me stay home. It is an awesome place but too bad it went south.
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July 03, 2012 at
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Okay, here's my opinion and some facts about this issue that I posted on a previous thread in case anyone missed it////.....Basically, the local 360 sprint car count has dwindled again this year from 26 or so early in the year, to 15-16 the past 3 straight weeks. as usual, the Eagle Nationals (ASCS National Tour) had a good (for 2012 anyway) field and some awesome racing, the next three weeks, only 16, 15, and 15 cars......The division got a nearly 1000 purse increase in 2011 on the premise of a 25 car average by July 1....the average wasn't met, but the increased purse was still paid...until the car car count fell to 17 by late August.....the 2011 season long points fund was nearly TRIPLED over 2010. With the increased purse AND points fund in place for 2012, plus an additional $400 in weekly special awards paid nightly ($100 cash hard charger and $300 2-5 podium lottery bonus) hopes were high for the sprints to again flourish.....unfortunately for some loyal drivers, who supported the car count weekly (even through some adversity with track conditions existed), again, as previously mentioned, the car counts have dwindled...engines, crash repair, or whatever,.... the attrition rate has been high, car counts decreasing, and the purse finally cut when the car count fell below 18......the underlying theme being , some racers leaving for touring series, taking time off, or cutting back their racing schedules for whatever reasons and only 2-3 newcomers to the sprint ranks in the last 3 years to take their place and no others looming on the horizon.....as much as I LOVE the 360's, and have tried (along with other dedicated committe members) to help grow and promote sprints for the weekly show, admittedly, there seems to be a problem...........Sprint cars are NOT being dropped by Eagle, BUT, the rules are being changed to encourage NEW participation and to help get guys back on the track more affordably after expensive engine failures. (much the same as was done at Lincoln area tracks many years ago when the sprints were all but dead in the area)...If Hoseheads or Dirt Drivers were around back then, what would the regulars have been saying....."how dare they only run 360 engines...and on a carburetor no less, and those tiny top wings WAY up in the air.....sheesh" ) ......The rumors are already flying about reduced purse, ($350-400 to win) etc, etc. But these numbers are straight from the horse's mouth earlier this evening......The purse for 2013 for a 24 car field will be the same as 2012, with a min $190 to start and a min of $800-1000 to win (not decided yet whether to keep the grand on top, or spread it a bit through the field. .....Will it work and help the class grow, remains to be seen, but the trend has been a slippery slope..... It may open the door for some additional ASCS Midwest region shows, if supported. .........Just a note to let folks know some facts and, being an eternal optimist, a hope for the best.........But what do I know...LOL..................SC
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July 03, 2012 at
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That is a shame. I am glad Wisconsin has the MSA 360's. They have 45 races scheduled this year and always have a full field and then some.
http://msasprints.com/
See more racing videos at
http://www.youtube.com/user/dagunner
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July 03, 2012 at
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Posted By: everhard on July 02 2012 at 04:35:38 PM
I just read that eagle dropped 360s.
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Hate to see it but the writing was on the wall way back. To many people putting ridiculous amounts of money into them. Car count drastic decrease. Roger has to do what needs to be done to keep the place open. Hell down South Smiley puts on those shows and has a full field 22-24 cars in every A main with a B main race, and they race the Racesaver sealed motors so somebody doesn't get plain stupid and go race a 20,000 dollar motor against a 6000 dollar motor. Call Smiley it's working for his shows and tracks.
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July 03, 2012 at
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Posted By: Desflur on July 02 2012 at 11:49:31 PM
Where did you read this? Sad that the 360 class has gotten so expensive. Please please don't open up rules on the 305s and make that class unaffordable also.
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Ask Emmit Hahn why 360's are so expensive? He has basically ruined sprint car racing by not checking anything, we ran with them for years and all they ever did was use their stupid no go guage and use the water test for fuel. We could have ran a cast iron 410 or ? never once checked cubic inches. 305 are already out of hand ceramic coated heads were found at cowtown Ft Worth recently and injectors costing 5000.00 engines alread in the 20,000.00 range . Good luck.
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July 03, 2012 at
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I don't really think motor cost is the whole problem. If everyone was held to the letter of the rule book we could compete with our lower cost motor just fine. But they're so far out of the box now that if you really want to have a chance you have to play the game too. I know it's been a part of racing forever but I'm just not interested in having to cheat to win..... With the way today's track surfaces usually are the biggest expense we have is tires. If you're out there to win you have to have 2 new tires every night. That's $450 now. Look at Eagle's payout. 3rd place doesn't even pay your expenses for the night. I don't mind coming up with money to put a car together and I don't really expect to pay for it with winnings. But we have to be able to cover operating expenses. We can't continue to lose money every night. Fuel to get there, pit passes, and then tires are just killing us. Add to that we now have to try to outrun illegal motors and it's getting to the point of not being worth the time and effort...... That's the two reasons car counts are down in my opinion. Rules not being enforced and costs too high for the return you get. Adjustments could be made to help both but I don't see it happening. Good luck with the 305 thing. It's just putting off the real problems. Until we have better rules enforcement and can make tires last more than one night I'm afraid sprint car racing is going to continue to decline no matter what size motor you run.
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July 03, 2012 at
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Posted By: MoOpenwheel on July 03 2012 at 11:20:01 AM
I don't really think motor cost is the whole problem. If everyone was held to the letter of the rule book we could compete with our lower cost motor just fine. But they're so far out of the box now that if you really want to have a chance you have to play the game too. I know it's been a part of racing forever but I'm just not interested in having to cheat to win..... With the way today's track surfaces usually are the biggest expense we have is tires. If you're out there to win you have to have 2 new tires every night. That's $450 now. Look at Eagle's payout. 3rd place doesn't even pay your expenses for the night. I don't mind coming up with money to put a car together and I don't really expect to pay for it with winnings. But we have to be able to cover operating expenses. We can't continue to lose money every night. Fuel to get there, pit passes, and then tires are just killing us. Add to that we now have to try to outrun illegal motors and it's getting to the point of not being worth the time and effort...... That's the two reasons car counts are down in my opinion. Rules not being enforced and costs too high for the return you get. Adjustments could be made to help both but I don't see it happening. Good luck with the 305 thing. It's just putting off the real problems. Until we have better rules enforcement and can make tires last more than one night I'm afraid sprint car racing is going to continue to decline no matter what size motor you run.
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Thanks for your comments. You are so correct. Cheaters ruin it for all. Rules that don't get enforced. Now those engine builders can take it in the shorts too! Need to run the sealed 305s People will complain about a sealed motor but if you don't like it then don't race and ruin it for those that race by the rules and win by becoming a driver. I think you will get more local people giving the 305s a try and be able to race at an affordable price. Keep em sealed and enforce the rules.
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July 03, 2012 at
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Posted By: raced24 on July 02 2012 at 05:12:54 PM
Going to IMCA racesaver crate 305s next year. 360s will finish this season.
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NEVER HEARD OF A 305 CRATE MOTOR. CRATE TO ME MEANS ALL ASSEMBLED READY TO RACE.
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July 03, 2012 at
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so tell me this, how is this more affordable for the racers supporting Eagle today (and all season thus far). You just made the engines they are running obsolete to run locally and if they aren't big $$$ motors, they have little to no chance of selling them to other teams that race elsewhere (Knoxville, ASCS regional). All the decision has done is force their hands to either sell out completely or spend another $6500 on a new motor (that's the Racesaver 305 motor cost).
Makes no sense to me and IMO, will kill sprint cars @ Eagle...
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Posted By: Desflur on July 03 2012 at 01:46:23 PM
Thanks for your comments. You are so correct. Cheaters ruin it for all. Rules that don't get enforced. Now those engine builders can take it in the shorts too! Need to run the sealed 305s People will complain about a sealed motor but if you don't like it then don't race and ruin it for those that race by the rules and win by becoming a driver. I think you will get more local people giving the 305s a try and be able to race at an affordable price. Keep em sealed and enforce the rules.
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I agree with you about cheaters and rules not being enforced ruining it for all. But I don't think putting a seal on any engine is going to change anything. It will just give the enforcer an excuse to not be hands on, and the cheater an excuse that his "seal" is intact.
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July 03, 2012 at
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Posted By: vande77 on July 03 2012 at 02:50:14 PM
so tell me this, how is this more affordable for the racers supporting Eagle today (and all season thus far). You just made the engines they are running obsolete to run locally and if they aren't big $$$ motors, they have little to no chance of selling them to other teams that race elsewhere (Knoxville, ASCS regional). All the decision has done is force their hands to either sell out completely or spend another $6500 on a new motor (that's the Racesaver 305 motor cost).
Makes no sense to me and IMO, will kill sprint cars @ Eagle...
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As i stated earlier 305's are costing up to the 20,000.00 range , these are racesaver 305's . Call ASI Lubbock Tx. The injector they are building is in the 5000.00 range and is legal with the racesaver and the ASCS 305. The 6500.00 motors are long gone, at least in the Dallas area .
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Posted By: jalopy 93 on July 03 2012 at 03:11:02 PM
As i stated earlier 305's are costing up to the 20,000.00 range , these are racesaver 305's . Call ASI Lubbock Tx. The injector they are building is in the 5000.00 range and is legal with the racesaver and the ASCS 305. The 6500.00 motors are long gone, at least in the Dallas area .
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That makes this decision even more questionable.
If the costs of running 360's were a big issue, it's not getting any better by changing to the RaceSaver 305 (per your cost). Even @ $5000 or so, it's still a cost for the racers and they'll be lucky to be able to unload their existing motors for $.20 on the $1 that they spent.
Again, maybe I just am looking at it wrong, but I don't see this helping car counts at Eagle...
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The main problem at Eagle had been with the agenda the owner/promoter has with the 360 class. If you put 305's in the cars you still deal with those problems! He has never liked the class and will admit to knowing nothing about it since he took over 6/7 years ago. I personally have raced 360's at Eagle for over 40 years and this problem is not the Cars' motor size!
Sprints rule
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Posted By: Desflur on July 03 2012 at 10:14:14 AM
Hate to see it but the writing was on the wall way back. To many people putting ridiculous amounts of money into them. Car count drastic decrease. Roger has to do what needs to be done to keep the place open. Hell down South Smiley puts on those shows and has a full field 22-24 cars in every A main with a B main race, and they race the Racesaver sealed motors so somebody doesn't get plain stupid and go race a 20,000 dollar motor against a 6000 dollar motor. Call Smiley it's working for his shows and tracks.
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the crazy thing is that person with a $20,000 engine comes to track with a $300,000 hauler
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