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June 28, 2012 at
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The engines are small blocks with iron blocks. A up to date latest technology 1271 ssi blown, brad anderson block 526alky hemi from injector to pan complete cost 70 and change.
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June 28, 2012 at
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Posted By: EJTownes on June 28 2012 at 07:34:28 PM
The engines are small blocks with iron blocks. A up to date latest technology 1271 ssi blown, brad anderson block 526alky hemi from injector to pan complete cost 70 and change.
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Beats me. Most are chevies and everyone tells me chevs are cheap.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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June 28, 2012 at
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A good 360 can get a good 410 result at some racetracks.
Still love husets
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June 28, 2012 at
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The difference between a 410 and and a 360 aren't that far off. A custom piston cost what a custom piston cost regardless what it goes in; this goes same for the oil pan, injectors, oil pump, etc... People say 360's run a cast iron block...a lot cheaper. NO. Everyone runs a dart little m block. Pays to have it lightened. Pays to have all the machine work done. And then pays for another one after a few rebuilds to stay legal within the bore stroke rules. Emmett had a great idea a few years ago introducing alluminum blocks to ASCS. This was shot down. Big mistake. You can fix and re-use alluminum blocks. People will say ASCS useses a spec head. I can tell you that a competitive race ready ASCS set of heads aren't that far off from the price of a competitive set of 410 heads. There is very little cost savings in a ASCS motor compared to a 410 motor. If you will will spend $40k for an ASCS motor what is $45k for a 410 motor.
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June 28, 2012 at
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engine builders!
do it in the dirt
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June 28, 2012 at
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Because outlaw drivers and teams dropped down to race them. How good do you think kinsers 360 is? How good does a part-time racers engine have to be to keep up with him. Goodithinkn
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June 28, 2012 at
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Posted By: Ricky111 on June 28 2012 at 07:54:49 PM
The difference between a 410 and and a 360 aren't that far off. A custom piston cost what a custom piston cost regardless what it goes in; this goes same for the oil pan, injectors, oil pump, etc... People say 360's run a cast iron block...a lot cheaper. NO. Everyone runs a dart little m block. Pays to have it lightened. Pays to have all the machine work done. And then pays for another one after a few rebuilds to stay legal within the bore stroke rules. Emmett had a great idea a few years ago introducing alluminum blocks to ASCS. This was shot down. Big mistake. You can fix and re-use alluminum blocks. People will say ASCS useses a spec head. I can tell you that a competitive race ready ASCS set of heads aren't that far off from the price of a competitive set of 410 heads. There is very little cost savings in a ASCS motor compared to a 410 motor. If you will will spend $40k for an ASCS motor what is $45k for a 410 motor.
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The heads are the big cost differential when taking everything else into consideration. The other really big difference is time between rebuilds.
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June 28, 2012 at
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Because they can, thats why there expensive
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June 29, 2012 at
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Posted By: Ricky111 on June 28 2012 at 07:54:49 PM
The difference between a 410 and and a 360 aren't that far off. A custom piston cost what a custom piston cost regardless what it goes in; this goes same for the oil pan, injectors, oil pump, etc... People say 360's run a cast iron block...a lot cheaper. NO. Everyone runs a dart little m block. Pays to have it lightened. Pays to have all the machine work done. And then pays for another one after a few rebuilds to stay legal within the bore stroke rules. Emmett had a great idea a few years ago introducing alluminum blocks to ASCS. This was shot down. Big mistake. You can fix and re-use alluminum blocks. People will say ASCS useses a spec head. I can tell you that a competitive race ready ASCS set of heads aren't that far off from the price of a competitive set of 410 heads. There is very little cost savings in a ASCS motor compared to a 410 motor. If you will will spend $40k for an ASCS motor what is $45k for a 410 motor.
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or get a ASCS engine off this forums classafieds for under 20K .... and get more Races for you $$$$ and stay competetive on most tracks, but yea whatever floats yall's boat
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June 29, 2012 at
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Maybe that's why 410 counts have been growing and 360's/358's have been shrinking in PA the last couple years.
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Posted By: Ricky111 on June 28 2012 at 07:54:49 PM
The difference between a 410 and and a 360 aren't that far off. A custom piston cost what a custom piston cost regardless what it goes in; this goes same for the oil pan, injectors, oil pump, etc... People say 360's run a cast iron block...a lot cheaper. NO. Everyone runs a dart little m block. Pays to have it lightened. Pays to have all the machine work done. And then pays for another one after a few rebuilds to stay legal within the bore stroke rules. Emmett had a great idea a few years ago introducing alluminum blocks to ASCS. This was shot down. Big mistake. You can fix and re-use alluminum blocks. People will say ASCS useses a spec head. I can tell you that a competitive race ready ASCS set of heads aren't that far off from the price of a competitive set of 410 heads. There is very little cost savings in a ASCS motor compared to a 410 motor. If you will will spend $40k for an ASCS motor what is $45k for a 410 motor.
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dig it.
very informative.
How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a
wouldchuck could chuck would
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June 29, 2012 at
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You are all right on about the cost and difference between a 360 and a 410,its worth it to go 410,however I personally feel since the 360 prices are climbing to try and stay cheaper the Saturday night gangs will go to 305 motors,I think that will be the saving grace for sprint cars as some of the 410's and hot running 360's approach 50 g plus for a motor,now we have 3 options for the fans to watch,besides the door slammers,real race cars.I am surprised the 360's don't make their limit 366 c.i. this gives the owners a few more options on rebuilds to clean up cylinders and keep motors running. Just saying.
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June 29, 2012 at
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I feel the reason it is so expensive is because they can charge that much. May rest his soul earl gearte use to build engines for a tractor puller back in the day. The story goes as i was told from a pulling friend, his sprint engines selling and picking up business bigtime when he went up on price. People i guess thought he wasnt that good cause his prices were so cheap. So raise the price and get a real good peice was the mindset behind the hike. Funny what dollar figures can do to the mind whos paying for it
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June 29, 2012 at
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on June 29 2012 at 02:01:51 AM
Maybe that's why 410 counts have been growing and 360's/358's have been shrinking in PA the last couple years.
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Nah, that was just everyone getting sick of trying to compete against the Highlands team.
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June 29, 2012 at
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Posted By: meatbag on June 28 2012 at 08:21:41 PM
engine builders!
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Engine builders only do what the car owners and racers want!
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June 29, 2012 at
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Posted By: meatbag on June 28 2012 at 08:21:41 PM
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LMAO!!
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Posted By: Bet n Housen on June 29 2012 at 05:59:46 AM
You are all right on about the cost and difference between a 360 and a 410,its worth it to go 410,however I personally feel since the 360 prices are climbing to try and stay cheaper the Saturday night gangs will go to 305 motors,I think that will be the saving grace for sprint cars as some of the 410's and hot running 360's approach 50 g plus for a motor,now we have 3 options for the fans to watch,besides the door slammers,real race cars.I am surprised the 360's don't make their limit 366 c.i. this gives the owners a few more options on rebuilds to clean up cylinders and keep motors running. Just saying.
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Actually, all of our local tracks in the area, (husets, Jackson, Hartford) all allow a 1% variance when tubing engines, meaning that the highest a motor can tube is 363.1 CI
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June 29, 2012 at
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The 305's are suppose to be the answer but what keeps the 305's going to the direction of the 360's. If everyone remembers the 360's were formed to beat the cost of the 410's. We have a 2 barrel sprint class here in Oklahoma that some of those motors are in the price range of the lower end 360's.
"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he
stands at times of challenge and controversy."
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June 29, 2012 at
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What ever happened to the Schatz/Shaver/corvette engine? That seemed like a logical, cost saving alternative. Maybe that's why it didn't take off.
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June 29, 2012 at
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Do restrictions cause the price to rise? Restrictions and rules do make and give a good reason to research and develop
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