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January 22, 2012 at
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January 22, 2012 at
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A. The A4MP Alternative 410 Motor Program is legal for use in all National and CRA events. The rules and specifications for this engine program are available at: http://www.alternative410motor.com/ (this program subject to performance evaluation by USAC)
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January 22, 2012 at
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Posted By: BIGFISH on January 22 2012 at 08:04:41 AM
A. The A4MP Alternative 410 Motor Program is legal for use in all National and CRA events. The rules and specifications for this engine program are available at: http://www.alternative410motor.com/ (this program subject to performance evaluation by USAC)
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Now I know w/ a 410 is, thankyou, unless I missed it, it doesn't say w/ a race ready motor cost ? ~ ~ ~ budget wise that mite be the w/ to go
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January 22, 2012 at
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January 22, 2012 at
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Posted By: BIGFISH on January 22 2012 at 08:04:41 AM
A. The A4MP Alternative 410 Motor Program is legal for use in all National and CRA events. The rules and specifications for this engine program are available at: http://www.alternative410motor.com/ (this program subject to performance evaluation by USAC)
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I'm really excited about this cost saving idea. It demonstrates that a mix of technology and creative thinking can greatly reduce costs. Congrats to Shaver/Schatz for making an effort to address an ever growing problem.
With that said, I can't figure out the implementation portion of this program. It's great that Knoxville, USAC, CRA, etc., are planning to allow this motor to compete, but until they eliminate the existing 410 platform, I can't figure out why somebody would build one of these motors.
At the end of the day, the A4MP won't consistently compete with a top of the line 410. Sure there may be some situations where someone pulls off an upset when the track slows down, but running for 5th night in and night out will eventually get frustrating.
This idea that the "Outlaws" will continue to outspend everyone, while the scrubs are expected to accept reduced performance, all in the name of cost savings, is ridiculous.
I LOVE SAVING MONEY, but what's good for one should be good for all. If your going to adpot the A4MP rules, grow a pair, and make everyone run them...
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January 22, 2012 at
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Before you start suggesting USAC "grow a pair" I'd recommend that you first suggest that they grow a brain so that they know what to do with the pair when they grow em'........
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January 22, 2012 at
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January 22, 2012 at
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Posted By: threadkilllller on January 22 2012 at 03:59:37 PM
Before you start suggesting USAC "grow a pair" I'd recommend that you first suggest that they grow a brain so that they know what to do with the pair when they grow em'........
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I can tell you one thing they've grown that the Woo hasn't.... Want to take a guess, or do you already know?
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January 22, 2012 at
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January 22, 2012 at
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Before you start suggesting USAC "grow a pair" I'd recommend that you first suggest that they grow a brain so that they know what to do with the pair when they grow em'........
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This motor program is a good idea and it has a purpose, but it's unfair to expect the average joe to run it against open 410's. That selling point is misleading at best and intentional at worst.
If the engine was a perfect match, Schatz and Kinser would already be running them...
It's kinda like running a 305 against a 360, or a 360 against a 410. Sure you can do it, but it's far from ideal.
If they're going to implement it, they should practice what they preach and make it the new universal.
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January 22, 2012 at
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Posted By: Hannity on January 22 2012 at 04:24:40 PM
This motor program is a good idea and it has a purpose, but it's unfair to expect the average joe to run it against open 410's. That selling point is misleading at best and intentional at worst.
If the engine was a perfect match, Schatz and Kinser would already be running them...
It's kinda like running a 305 against a 360, or a 360 against a 410. Sure you can do it, but it's far from ideal.
If they're going to implement it, they should practice what they preach and make it the new universal.
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It's not unfair - it's dumb. Thus the need for USAC to grow a brain. Your point proves my point but hey - whatever...What's USAC doing to address motor costs in midget racing? Unless it's top secret the answer on that one should be "nothing".
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January 22, 2012 at
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January 22, 2012 at
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It's not unfair - it's dumb. Thus the need for USAC to grow a brain. Your point proves my point but hey - whatever...What's USAC doing to address motor costs in midget racing? Unless it's top secret the answer on that one should be "nothing".
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2011 RPM LIMITS FOR MIDGETS AIMED AT COST REDUCTION....http://www.usacracing.com/midget_index/news_m/4170.html
And you didn't answer my question, or even take a guess.
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January 22, 2012 at
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January 22, 2012 at
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Threadkiller,
I missread your original post, I apologize; see edit!
Bigfish,
I don't know the answer to your USAC/Outlaw trivia, but I think the engine debate can be applied to all of sprint car racing.
The new engine idea is actually cheaper than both the current 360 and 410 platforms. The problem, is running them together as if they're equals.
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January 22, 2012 at
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All of you are talking like this is a brand new idea. This motor has been raced since the 2010 season and has actually won an all-star show against the likes of Tim Shafer, Blaney, T. Stewart, TK, Dobmier and more. This motor concept seems like a great idea to me and I believe that if you give it time you will see more and more of them across the country. Kudos to Schatz and Shaver for actually taking the time and effort to make something like this available.
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January 22, 2012 at
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Posted By: Hannity on January 22 2012 at 06:02:30 PM
Threadkiller,
I missread your original post, I apologize; see edit!
Bigfish,
I don't know the answer to your USAC/Outlaw trivia, but I think the engine debate can be applied to all of sprint car racing.
The new engine idea is actually cheaper than both the current 360 and 410 platforms. The problem, is running them together as if they're equals.
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It was toward the threadmauler, and the answer is that they
"grow" drivers who go on to the "big time".
There are some people over here on the left side that are looking at a engine to try and help out on situation here with our non wing 410 car count. I can't say much about it, but Shaver did look at the idea and is willing to help.
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January 22, 2012 at
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How does this have anything to do with the WoO? When have I ever shown favoritism towards the WoO? I believe I have recently posted that they have priced themselves out of my budget. I prefer the kind of racing that USAC sanctions but I have many issues with USAC. The racing and the racers themselves however I have nothing but respect and admiration for.
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January 22, 2012 at
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...What's USAC doing to address motor costs in midget racing? Unless it's top secret the answer on that one should be "nothing".
2011 RPM LIMITS FOR MIDGETS AIMED AT COST REDUCTION....http://www.usacracing.com/midget_index/news_m/4170.html
I've been listening to people bitch about USAC most of my life, and though there is merit with some of their complaints, some seem to do it just out of habit; and since you choose to ignore what I posted about what their trying with the rev limit deal with the Midgets... I thought habit.
Geeez, you said "Thus the need for USAC to grow a brain'", and I just played on the word "grow".
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January 22, 2012 at
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