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Topic: Goodyear $219, Hoosier $214, American Racer $100
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January 06, 2012 at
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if everyone has to use same tire why would you not want the less costley?????
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January 06, 2012 at
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Knoxville got $250,000 to mandate Goodjars.
Sprints rule
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January 06, 2012 at
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Posted By: Pettas on January 05 2012 at 10:25:54 PM
I really, really want to know where I can get a Hoosier tire for $202.00????...........
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Ask Sammy Swindell how much Goodyears tires have cost him the past two-three years!
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January 07, 2012 at
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January 07, 2012 at
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Posted By: budz76 on January 06 2012 at 11:36:18 PM
Ask Sammy Swindell how much Goodyears tires have cost him the past two-three years!
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The idea of a tire rule is a great one if four conditions are met:
1.) Tires must be purchased at the track
2.) Tires submitted by all tire manf must read the same in lab tests as original specimen submitted at the beginning of the season. Tires to be used at the track must be shipped to the track two weeks prior to event to allow for lab test to confirm chemical make-up matches original specimen.
3.) Series or track does random tire sample testing throughout event (qual, heats, b-main, feature) of those tires and following event tests samples and PUBLISHES results. Cheating tires means IMMEDIATE suspension for a minimum of one-year from series and sports biggest events (Knoxville Nationals, Eldora, Williams Grove)
4.) Eliminate tire deals for sanctions, tracks and drivers. Paying points funds and offer drivers deals only influences decisions... taking those things away means that manf HAVE to make the best product avaialble for a least expensive price... benefiting all racers.
All of those things will never happen together as too many of the top teams have tire deals and would balk at having to purchase their tires at the track. The tracks and sanctions have grown addicted to the points money but if the series offered less points money and cheaper tires in the end it would all even out and more drivers able to participate.
The idea of a spec tire has been done before only to lead to cheating by the teams (tire soaking or chemical alteration of the tire) and even cheating by the manufacturers. Look at Dirt Late Models to see how many "versions" of the 1600 tire their are as well as American Racer 56's. Not all teams have access to these latest versions either with the sports biggest names the only racers "aware" and given access to those tires. See white dot fiasco of 2010 regarding Hoosier 1600 and American Racer 56 as an example.
With dirt racing as small as it is (compared to NASCAR and other large scale sanctions) their will ALWAYS be back of the trailer deals on not only discounted or free tires but also special compounds or direct influence on how compounds are made and wear/traction.The tire manufacturers are biggest influencers in racing... no one else even comes close. Look at the drivers at shows like PRI and IMIS and see who has the busiest booths with all the top drivers... Goodyear, Hoosier and American Racer.
That is why tire prices, rules and a sanctions/tracks selection on tires will never make sense... the influence via money over racing is so significant they (tire manf) control the direction of racing... end of story.
Rich Olson
FANS Fund
Rich Olson
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www.FANSFund.com
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January 07, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on January 06 2012 at 07:44:04 PM
Tire rules don't matter to 305s because they run used tires. If they can afford new tires they shouldn't be running a 305.
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The reason the 305 guys can AFFORD new tires is because we aren't spending $30K on a motor to keep up.....
Kind of like running my XXX, it helps me afford all the other overpriced parts....(like tires)
I don't know how you can assume that if I can buy a $230 RR tire from Hoosier, that I can afford to buy a $30K 360?? Please expalin, maybe I am missing something and I am running the wrong class......(not trying to argue, just wanting to see how you are figuring this)
As long as tire companies are going to pay the tracks to mandate a tire, there will never be a fair market and cheaper tires. Why would Knoxville turn down $250K??? Good business move for them, but terrible for the racers....
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January 07, 2012 at
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Posted By: 88sprint on January 07 2012 at 11:17:30 AM
The reason the 305 guys can AFFORD new tires is because we aren't spending $30K on a motor to keep up.....
Kind of like running my XXX, it helps me afford all the other overpriced parts....(like tires)
I don't know how you can assume that if I can buy a $230 RR tire from Hoosier, that I can afford to buy a $30K 360?? Please expalin, maybe I am missing something and I am running the wrong class......(not trying to argue, just wanting to see how you are figuring this)
As long as tire companies are going to pay the tracks to mandate a tire, there will never be a fair market and cheaper tires. Why would Knoxville turn down $250K??? Good business move for them, but terrible for the racers....
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So you would rather pay $230 than $159 for new tires and you run a 305? You should be running a 410.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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January 07, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on January 07 2012 at 11:29:49 AM
So you would rather pay $230 than $159 for new tires and you run a 305? You should be running a 410.
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I did not say that. I actually run American Racer on 3 corners, I am forced to run a Hoosier on the RR. I asked how you think I can afford a $30K motor based on the fact I can buy a new RR?
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The thing to notice on the American Racer for URC is the tire purchase price is reduced as the press release says "a portion of their sponsorship revenue to offset the tire cost." All the other sanctioning bodies or tracks are keeping the money paid by the tire companies in their pockets or putting it in the teams point fund. I know in WI MSA sprint cars have American Racer spec tires and they are closer to the $180-$190 range.
Plans for the 2012 Rislone URC Sprint Series are well underway and a big announcement includes the return of American Racer as the official tire of URC.
Some great pricing is being offered with URC using a portion of their sponsorship revenue to offset the tire cost. URC Managing Member John Zimmerman worked out the tire prices for 2012 which includes $159 for right rears, $155 for left rears and $138 for all front tires. "By using URC sponsorship revenue to offset the tire pricing, all teams will benefit all season long, and at a time when the car owners will benefit and offset the nightly cost, commented Zimmerman.
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January 07, 2012 at
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January 07, 2012 at
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Posted By: staggerman on January 07 2012 at 06:54:02 PM
The thing to notice on the American Racer for URC is the tire purchase price is reduced as the press release says "a portion of their sponsorship revenue to offset the tire cost." All the other sanctioning bodies or tracks are keeping the money paid by the tire companies in their pockets or putting it in the teams point fund. I know in WI MSA sprint cars have American Racer spec tires and they are closer to the $180-$190 range.
Plans for the 2012 Rislone URC Sprint Series are well underway and a big announcement includes the return of American Racer as the official tire of URC.
Some great pricing is being offered with URC using a portion of their sponsorship revenue to offset the tire cost. URC Managing Member John Zimmerman worked out the tire prices for 2012 which includes $159 for right rears, $155 for left rears and $138 for all front tires. "By using URC sponsorship revenue to offset the tire pricing, all teams will benefit all season long, and at a time when the car owners will benefit and offset the nightly cost, commented Zimmerman.
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American Racer $100 right rear tire works for me... http://www.americanracertires.com/store.php?cid=52&pid=243&view=detail
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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January 07, 2012 at
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January 07, 2012 at
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I love goodyear because everyone pays the same price. The only reason you people love hoosier is they gave you deals now you have to pay for your tires. I dont get deals on anything or any part that goes on the car.Why do you think they run hoosier on the front because they pay 0 or very little.
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January 08, 2012 at
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Ask Sammy how much Goodyear tires have cost him!
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January 08, 2012 at
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Ask Sammy how much Sammy has cost Sammy and blaming it on Goodyear.
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January 08, 2012 at
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Posted By: budz76 on January 06 2012 at 11:36:18 PM
Ask Sammy Swindell how much Goodyears tires have cost him the past two-three years!
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Then ask him many dollars worth of free tires did he used to GET from GoodYear. I'm guessing Sammy got more than he lost.
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January 08, 2012 at
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January 08, 2012 at
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They must have been ok for him when they were free.
http://www.swindellmotorsports.citymaker.com/i/Sammy/wo1-vi.jpg
http://www.swindellmotorsports.citymaker.com/i/Sammy/Rusty_s_Racing_Photos_191.jpg
http://www.swindellmotorsports.citymaker.com/i/Sammy/70.jpg
http://www.swindellmotorsports.citymaker.com/i/Sammy/1tmc.jpg
http://www.swindellmotorsports.citymaker.com/i/Sammy/1022.jpg
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January 08, 2012 at
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haha awesome.
do it in the dirt
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January 09, 2012 at
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Those pics sure brought silence to the Sammy vs. GoodYear fans. LMAO. The people crying probably thought GoodYear just began producing dirt tires. LMAO again.
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January 10, 2012 at
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Yes they are all Goodyears, but you have to admit its apples to oranges comparing the 70's - 90's to 2010+
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January 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: speedyl on January 07 2012 at 08:20:10 PM
I love goodyear because everyone pays the same price. The only reason you people love hoosier is they gave you deals now you have to pay for your tires. I dont get deals on anything or any part that goes on the car.Why do you think they run hoosier on the front because they pay 0 or very little.
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You can bet the house there are teams and drivers getting "under the table" deals from Goodyear too.
So what if people get product or tire deals??
I have a friend in the late model ranks that has a Hoosier deal. He is far from the greatest driver in the area and doesn't win on a regular basis.
But what he does do is project a professional image and takes care of his sponsors and fans.
And for that he is/was rewarded with various product and tire deals.
Why is that so wrong???
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January 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: mini29 on January 06 2012 at 08:46:40 PM
Tell me why you should HAVE to spend a lot of money to go out and race? I know it's part of the deal, but the common man should be able to pursue his love as much as a 'rich' or well sponsored one. IMO
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Makes some feel FASTER LOL
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Posted By: D1RT on January 10 2012 at 02:03:51 PM
You can bet the house there are teams and drivers getting "under the table" deals from Goodyear too.
So what if people get product or tire deals??
I have a friend in the late model ranks that has a Hoosier deal. He is far from the greatest driver in the area and doesn't win on a regular basis.
But what he does do is project a professional image and takes care of his sponsors and fans.
And for that he is/was rewarded with various product and tire deals.
Why is that so wrong???
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Ok, I gotta ask for the logic here. In series or tracks with a one tire monopoly, what is the point of giving "under the table" deals to get teams to run the tire?
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