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Topic: Goodyear $219, Hoosier $214, American Racer $100 Email this topic to a friend | Subscribe to this TopicReport this Topic to Moderator
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cubicdollars
January 05, 2012 at 07:48:05 PM
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This message was edited on January 11, 2012 at 11:24:38 AM by cubicdollars
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Which tire would you rather be paying for?
Option's Votes  
Goodyear 9 22 %
Hoosier 16 39 %
American Racer 16 39 %
Total Votes 41  

Goodyear: http://www.williamsgrove.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41613

Hoosier: http://www.hoosiermidatlantic.com/product.cfm?InvKey=920

American Racer: http://www.americanracertires.com/store.php?cid=52&pid=243&view=detail


 

 

 

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Pettas
January 05, 2012 at 10:25:54 PM
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I really, really want to know where I can get a Hoosier tire for $202.00????...........


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Sprinter 79
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January 05, 2012 at 11:39:56 PM
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I really, really want to know where I can get a Hoosier tire for $202.00????...........



That is a good question. When you get an answer please share!
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cubicdollars
January 06, 2012 at 04:46:42 AM
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Posted By: Sprinter 79 on January 05 2012 at 11:39:56 PM
That is a good question. When you get an answer please share!


For all the idiots out there that don't want a tire rule you can pay $260 for an open RD12... http://www.hoosiermidatlantic.com/product.cfm?InvKey=650

And an open Goodyear would probably cost more than that...$280-$300.

Money well spent for something that only lasts 25 laps.

Some of the biggests whiners about a tire rule would cry even louder once they have to open up their wallets to buy an open tire...

Oh wait, they were never paying for them themselves anyway.


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com


dirtybeer
January 06, 2012 at 05:43:42 AM
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Spec tire rules suk,all they do is make for higher priced tires.The durometer rule is the best way to go money wise,and also keeps things more honest.Track officials will look for the right numbers on the side of your tire and send you on,but the next guys tire might be soaked full of tire softener.



cubicdollars
January 06, 2012 at 08:19:36 AM
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An open tire will cost $250 no matter how hard it is. A lot of race teams spend more on tires than motors as it is.

 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com



brettco
January 06, 2012 at 09:14:44 AM
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No team spends more on tires than engines.tires are expense but come on.

Desflur
January 06, 2012 at 09:20:27 AM
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Sucks to have to run a goodyear so low to get them to work like a Hoosier. Hoosier's were made to be the mainstay in Sprintcar racing!!!!



Sprinter 79
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January 06, 2012 at 10:51:05 AM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on January 06 2012 at 04:46:42 AM

For all the idiots out there that don't want a tire rule you can pay $260 for an open RD12... http://www.hoosiermidatlantic.com/product.cfm?InvKey=650

And an open Goodyear would probably cost more than that...$280-$300.

Money well spent for something that only lasts 25 laps.

Some of the biggests whiners about a tire rule would cry even louder once they have to open up their wallets to buy an open tire...

Oh wait, they were never paying for them themselves anyway.



Burlington 305s don't have a tire rule. It allows us to buy used tires and keeps the cost way down. Yeah, there are some that run new tires, but who cares. We had a tire rule for one year and it was almost unanimously voted out. In some cases tires rules do suck!
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cubicdollars
January 06, 2012 at 11:15:04 AM
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Posted By: brettco on January 06 2012 at 09:14:44 AM
No team spends more on tires than engines.tires are expense but come on.


It's nothing for race teams to spend $30,000 on tires a year around here. That's a lot of motor rebuilds.

 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com


88sprint
January 06, 2012 at 11:22:05 AM
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Is it strange to anyone besides me that from all the people that complain about the cost of racing, the cheapest tire on the list didn't win??? Is the racing community so used to hearing the name Hoosier that they are blind to everything else? I just don't get it......

And the SC12 isn't the "common" spec tire, put the price of the ASCS Medium on here as the price point, it should change the numbers a little...

As for tire rules in general, they need revised. Spec tires do cost more in the long run, but it does make it a little more even on the track. But why not have a spec tire rule with 1 tire from each of the 3 manufacturers? You can run whichever brand you want, but there is only 1 tire from each brand that is legal? Puts the "competition" back into tire prices.... Example-- Hoosier Medium, Goodyear 300, and American Racer MC-2? (I don't know exactly how these compare, just using as an example..)



Desflur
January 06, 2012 at 11:39:36 AM
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Burlington 305s don't have a tire rule. It allows us to buy used tires and keeps the cost way down. Yeah, there are some that run new tires, but who cares. We had a tire rule for one year and it was almost unanimously voted out. In some cases tires rules do suck!


Hey and look at the good car count Burlington has. Must be doing something right.With gas prices about to explode people better save where ever they can.




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January 06, 2012 at 12:41:12 PM
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Posted By: 88sprint on January 06 2012 at 11:22:05 AM

Is it strange to anyone besides me that from all the people that complain about the cost of racing, the cheapest tire on the list didn't win??? Is the racing community so used to hearing the name Hoosier that they are blind to everything else? I just don't get it......

And the SC12 isn't the "common" spec tire, put the price of the ASCS Medium on here as the price point, it should change the numbers a little...

As for tire rules in general, they need revised. Spec tires do cost more in the long run, but it does make it a little more even on the track. But why not have a spec tire rule with 1 tire from each of the 3 manufacturers? You can run whichever brand you want, but there is only 1 tire from each brand that is legal? Puts the "competition" back into tire prices.... Example-- Hoosier Medium, Goodyear 300, and American Racer MC-2? (I don't know exactly how these compare, just using as an example..)



You make several good points. I think that allot of the people that choose Hoosier, myself included, feel that they make the best tire for the application. I chose it for two reasons. First, I have a ton of them, and compared to anything else that we have run (Goodyears & American Racers), the Hoosier seem to be the fastest. Secondly, if they make the best tires, and they are the fastest, you have to give somewhere to be competitive. Fact of the matter is that tires are as important as the Engine. I can not swing $45,000 for an engine, but I can scrape up $235. for a tire if need be and definitely $50. for them used. As for tire rules, I think that if everyone gets to choose their tire based on hardness (all 3 brands making the same hardness tire from which to choose), the same manufacturer will end up on the cars anyway. When one tire starts winning weekly the monkey see monkey do will be on the same rubber. Actually tires are a great way to equalize a class. But they have to be as hard as a rock so that you can not use horsepower. As long as medium and soft tires are used as a basis for spec tires, engines will be outrageously expensive. Just a thought. If you can not get the power to the ground then there is no reason to have huge horsepower engines. Of course tire size would have allot to do with that.
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January 06, 2012 at 12:49:39 PM
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Hey and look at the good car count Burlington has. Must be doing something right.With gas prices about to explode people better save where ever they can.



34 raceway in Burlington Iowa is doing a whole lot that is right. After having raced there going on our forth year, I have a ton of respect for the effort that 34 Raceway puts in to produce a good show. It also helps that the people that race there are decent. I just wish that we lived close enough that we were not practically taking a weekly vacation to race there. Smile
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linbob
January 06, 2012 at 02:36:30 PM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on January 06 2012 at 11:15:04 AM
It's nothing for race teams to spend $30,000 on tires a year around here. That's a lot of motor rebuilds.


on 360 knoxville had a 18 inch tire and a new track record was set. They went to a 17 inch tire and a new track record was set with a Hooser. They went to a 16 inch rim and a new track record was set. Figure this out? I think the 18 inch was with Am. Racer, other 2 with hoosiers. If I rember right Knoxville on 410 was givin alot of money to switch tire rule. That money was to go into point fundI

I am pretty sure that the higher prices on tires is to off set money they paid to track. The goodyears were picked not for speed, but to make cars a little less tied down. Before Goodyear was picked they could not give away a tire at track. Goodyear and Hoosier are much larger companies than Am. Racer. Would you not think a bigger company should be able to sell for less, not more?




Desflur
January 06, 2012 at 02:45:59 PM
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I agree that to be fair and competitive let each tire company be represented by a spec tire. Need to get several tracks to do this and it will take off. I only wish the best for the 305 class great racing all over the USA and if you dont let it get out of hand will be around for a long time.Iowa MN NE and TX has a nice group of 305s and all have excellent racing.



BLUTEAM
January 06, 2012 at 07:21:54 PM
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The pricing listed in the title falls way short on anything that can be purchased locally around here......including from the dealers that are supposed to be enforcing the spec tire price.

And I wouldn't expect it to change until the tire manufacturer(s), sanctioning bodies selling their series with a "set" RR tire price, and tracks that are mandating a spec tire and are using the tire deal to finance their operation, grow some balls and tell their dealers to stop F@#$ing THEIR racers.

In other words - it's not going to change. Too much money, arm flexing, and politicking to make them want to do it any different. Everyone is poor - right? LOL


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cubicdollars
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Posted By: Sprinter 79 on January 06 2012 at 10:51:05 AM
Burlington 305s don't have a tire rule. It allows us to buy used tires and keeps the cost way down. Yeah, there are some that run new tires, but who cares. We had a tire rule for one year and it was almost unanimously voted out. In some cases tires rules do suck!


Tire rules don't matter to 305s because they run used tires. If they can afford new tires they shouldn't be running a 305.

 

 

 

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brettco
January 06, 2012 at 08:05:13 PM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on January 06 2012 at 11:15:04 AM
It's nothing for race teams to spend $30,000 on tires a year around here. That's a lot of motor rebuilds.


Ok- I say you would have to be a tard with your money to spend more on tires than engines in a year so you know tards imo. Sayn

mini29
January 06, 2012 at 08:46:40 PM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on January 06 2012 at 07:44:04 PM
Tire rules don't matter to 305s because they run used tires. If they can afford new tires they shouldn't be running a 305.


Tell me why you should HAVE to spend a lot of money to go out and race? I know it's part of the deal, but the common man should be able to pursue his love as much as a 'rich' or well sponsored one. IMO
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