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Will the WOO let Jason sign a contract and get the perks or continue treating him bad? Racing season is just around the corner.

Due to the pending lawsuit we unfortunately cannot comment on your post.

Stan Meissner

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I had wondered what Jasons plans were gonna be for this year. I would think even with the lawsuit WRG couldnt prevent him from racing in their events or maybe they can. If I had a lawsuit against Wal-Mart I would think they probably wouldnt want me shopping in their stores. Same thing here, you would think that WRG wouldnt want him running their series if he has a pending lawsuit. That all being said, its probably a safe bet he is not running for points and/or going to be a member that gets tow money.

Actually Hawg, you could shop at Walmart all you wanted to even if you had a lawsuit pending against them. Do you think the greeters carry pictures of people to examine when they walk in? Even if you were fired for stealing from them and being prosecuted, and they had a civil suit against you, they still would not and could not stop you from shopping there.

I'm not a lawyer of course, but much of this deals with the definition of whether they are a privately held company or publicly traded company. I'm pretty sure WRG is a publicly traded company. Many race tracks are privately owned and they can ban people from racing there if they want. I don't think that will be the case with WRG and the World of Outlaws. I'm pretty sure Jason will be able to run wherever he wants.

I really just hope this can be settled in a way that's good for everyone. When judges, juries, and lawyers are involved that's not a good thing for racing.

Thanks Sprinter3, I knew that. If you noticed, I was using Walmart as an example too.

I doubt that he will be able to race. It is in most tracks/sanction body rules that in order to particpate that the two sides cannot have active lawsuits against each other.

Also, there are other rules that limit peoples participation. If it is determined that you can not keep your car at race speed, you can not race. If it is determined that you can not contol your car, you can not race. If your car is not legal, you can not race. If you have been caught cheating, you can be suspened. If you have been doing something "determintal to racing", you can not be suspended. There are a lot of reasons to keep someone from racing. It is much more that simply showing up for a race.

If I had a lawsuit against someone/organization, I would not want to have anything to do with them anymore.

How about Jason, put in a 360 and hit the ASCS National tour?

Did Wolfgang race with the WOO after the law suit? Im thinking he did.

I hear Sides wants to be back on the WoO tour... just needs the year end points money for travel money in 2012. I hope it works out for him as he is always exciting on the track.

I SUPPORT JASON SIDES FROM DOWN UNDER

I've seen quite a few track rulebooks in my time, and I can't recall ever seeing one that said anything about lawsuits. Maybe I didn't read them closely enough. I've never read any rules for a sanctioning body, so maybe it does say that.

Yes, anyone who shows up to race must be legal and follow by the rules or possibly face consequences. However, that's a completely different issue. We're talking about someone not being allowed to compete to begin with. I'm not saying it would be awkward for them or Jason, I'm just saying I don't think they can legally stop him from coming out to race. I doubt he'll ever see tow money again, but that's what they'll hash out in court I'm sure.

IMO, it would take a lot of nerve to sue WRG, vocally complain about how badly they screwed you, but then slink right back to the organization that had supposedly screwed you the year before. If Sides feels WRG legitimately screwed him, it seems really weak to want to go back the following year.

If he cant get the perks this coming year because of the law suit , it might have done more harm then good.

Well, there are many out there that think they have been or are currently getting shafted by these folks but what I believe many here lose sight of is that this is how Jason FEEDS his family.. His JOB! You do what you have to do to make sure that happens, no matter what...

I am disappointed in the lack of solidarity from the other drivers, but, when all of the smoke clears, friends are friends and money is money and the greenbacks seem to always win. This whole battle is about principles... what SHOULD have been done and what WAS done...

The WRG is bringing less and less to the table each year and has been a diminishing return of investment for a few years now. I go to the races... I've seen the politics... Ask any of the WOO Rookie of the Year winners in the past what they think about how WRG handles paying this one!

Anyway, enough.. I have more serious things (to me) to worry about now and hope for nothing for the best for ny very good friend, Jason... If nothing else, he can always take pride in the fact that he has the stones to fight these crooks when no one else would!

Mark

Meh, it just seems really lame to play the fans on how WRG mistreated and screwed Sides if he is going to crawl back the next year. The whole thing doesn't seem to be at all about principles, IMO. If Sides really felt like the Outlaws screwed him this year, he wouldn't be looking to go back next season. There are other places to make a living racing Sprint Cars, be it central Pennsylvania, or Ohio/ASCoC or Knoxville/Midwest or ASCS.

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Even if the WoO doesn't have something in their rule book to prevent it I would expect his attorney to advise against continuing to do business with them until the lawsuit is settled. Considering the speed that our legal system moves at that might be a couple years with more pressing matters coming before the courts.

I don't see the grandstands being half empty on account of this deal. They'll still pack 'em in most places. We tend to forget that for every WoO fan who hangs around on these racing boards there's probably 50 who either don't know they exist or don't bother. Lots and lots of fans that attend these one days shows around the country are probably only going out to see them that one time when they're in the area. In other words the majority are casual fans. With that being said and not taking sides on what's fair and what isn't I think the end result will be that Jason shot himself in the foot. Personally I'd be embarrassed to show up at the back gate right or wrong. That would be like drawing a line in the sand then crawling back with my tail between my legs. Not taking sides, just saying that WRG probably isn't going to miss a beat over any of this.

Stan Meissner