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Wonder what brought all of this on? LOL

http://www.hoseheads.com/brad.html

Will drivers still be penalized for skipping a race the next time they show up?

I hope Port Royal continues with the program they implemented last year. They don't need to do what the other 2 are doing.

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interesting....hopefully it brings some lower budget teams to the grove on a more regular basis....thats the main reason we dont run there....

[b]Beer Hill Gang #71x[/b]

Anything but time trials is a good thing

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Man that is confusing.... Time Trials is so much better......

Good for fans or race teams?

As a fan, I prefer time trials...

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time trials are kinda boring and take too long....

so im with cubicdollars on this one....

[b]Beer Hill Gang #71x[/b]

Ok, normally I do not reply to messages or give my opinions, but with regard to the new handicapping system that is being proposed for Williams Grove and Lincoln speedways you guys need to listen up. The way it was for a number of years along time ago, (and I have been around racing all of my 40 plus years on this earth) you would show up at the race track and draw for your position and then start heads up for your heat races by how you drew. Then if you qualified in your heat race (top 6) then the low point man would start first and the highest in points would start 18th. Now before all the complaining by this starts, I understand that this has not been this way for about the last 10 to 15 years and with all the rule implementations that would not work, but the way it has been up until the last couple of years is you handicap the top 12 highest in points (top 4 from each heat) then the 5th and 6th place finishers would start heads up from 13th Thru 18th, with no money earned involved being the determining factor. This seemed to work the best for years until the flat top wings and the tire rule (having to run Goodyear tires) has taken over. I believe and please correct me if I am wrong, but has this handicapping of the top 12 been used since the rules change without the money earned as a determining factor? I believe that this type of format would still work today, especially for a small team such as ours where we cannot race every weekend. A time trialling format would suck for not only the fans, but also for all the small, underfunded teams. Its hard enough to fund a 410 operation on a shoe string budget, but add in all of this garbage is ridiculous, make it simple guys, draw for your heat race, handicap top 4 from each heat, invert the top 12 by points, lowest starts on the pole, highest starts 12th, then how you finished 5th and 6th start heads up from 13th to 18th. Then how you finished the consi is how you start 19th thru 24th. Its that simple, pure luck of the draw. I believe Port Royal has it right, talking with a couple of the guys racing up there, it seems to have worked, just needs a little tweaking from my understanding. Now if you really want to listen to the little guys who try to support the tracks as best as we can, get rid of the tire rule, let us determine what tire we want to use, (Hoosier, Goodyear, American Racer) get away from the flat top wing, go back to the 2 1/2 dish wings, and let us have the in cockpit adjusters for at least the shocks and by all means the one move I think that was right was the 1400lb weight rule, leave that alone. To many light weight parts are failing another subject in itself. Anyway sorry to be so long winded, just don't understand why everything has to be so complicated, I guess its part of the world we now live in and it now has adverse effects on the sport we all love so much. See all of you at the race track in 2012. Have a safe and happy holidays. Dave Wilson P.S Alway's remember that soldier that fights for our freedom everyday in a small prayed. Proudly retired U.S Air Force

Wilson 7, what you said first was only for the first 2 or 3 races of the season. For the last 45 years they always used average points or average money won, to line up the heat races. High average would start near the rear, with the exception of new cars or running at another track and being penalized for 2 races. Then high average points or money cars qualifying in the handicapped spots of the heat race would be lined up in the feature, using the same method.

one way to widen the track in the turns so that the cars can pass in the heats would be to run TTs...or drop the 358s and bring in late models.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Time trials suck and are a waste time and money. They still invert the heats and feature even when they run time trials around here anyway, so what exactly is the point? To see who is the best sandbagger?

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

The Outlaws have the best format in racing. If we are being forced to adopt their rules so our guys can compete with them, then let's adopt the damn format too!

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PA weekly racing is a better format for the fans. Has been for decades.

No difference between invert based on time trials or avg money except for sandbag factor.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com