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September 09, 2011 at
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Just sitting here thinking of how cool it would have been if victorville would have. Kept usac scheduled i just dont understand what steve is trying to do so far really looking back the only goos sprint car race there this year was the usac show i know usac sucks and have their issues. But if steve q wants a good show you gotta pay for it. Its just dissapointing that. Perris and victorville cant work together and do a series im also dissapointed in the show at vv last weekend perris is a great track i know times are tough but perris has spent alot of money in the past i just think if vv spent some money and did things wright he could have a good thing i know some will be mad and dissagree with me and well i dont care just bored wishing there was some good 410 racing. Down here this weekend
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September 09, 2011 at
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Give Steve some time. Seeing as this is his first year at Victorville, I think he's just getting his feet wet and will work on it for next year. I'm all for someone who's at least trying to put on more sprint car races.
I feel that if he's going to try, it's up to everyone else to try as well. We are spoiled. We got spoiled when Ascot was around. Now that it's gone, there is no place that will ever be as good as Ascot. So now we need to help support those who are trying to bring us more places to race.
WE, the fans, drivers, owners, crew members, etc, need to support Steve as well as the other tracks that are running sprint cars. Thankfully, we have Perris, Ventura, Santa Maria, Tulare and Hanford (?) still around. Victorville wants to be one of those racetracks that holds not just the stocks but sprints as well. We need to support it. Everyone is so quick to name all of the faults and errors Steve has made. Where are the good points?
If you all keep bitching at him, I'm wondering if he will end up saying, to heck w/the sprints, I'm going to just run stocks and say goodbye to the sprints. Do you want that? I don't. We need more tracks badly. The economy sucks, we all know that. But lets just find a way to work together and help cars get to the tracks. Help the guys who have had bad luck and need help to fix their cars. If everyone in the stands put up $5 or $10, there are a few guys that might be back racing already instead of parking their car due to lack of funds to fix it. I'm willing to help out.
OK, jumping off the soap box. But seriously people, lets quit bitching at Steve. Put yourself in his shoes for awhile and think about how you would react and what you would do if every time you looked at a message board, everyone was bitching about you.
RIP Chet and Mark. You might be gone but never will
be forgotten.
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September 09, 2011 at
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June come on lol it was a joke last weekend
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September 09, 2011 at
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I think Steve would pay for the big boys to show but he doesn't want to deal with certain personnel that are associated with Usac. He's shared why many times on this board. But why would Steve pay? He pays a great weekly purse and he gets 14 cars. Why would he pay 3 or 5 to win? So he could get 16? No support = no purse.
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September 09, 2011 at
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Oh i see derp forgot you the exspert
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September 09, 2011 at
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You need to be patient and let Steve build upon what he has now. I was somewhat suprised that the sprint car count was as low as it was- but the open rules thing may actually have scared some teams away- it would be nice to know why many who usually show did not.
You have to admit, though, he at least is on this board answering most every question, good and bad, from fan and driver, and honoring most every request. The bottom line is he is running a business. He needs to make some capital to pay the tracks bills, while keeping the fans, drivers, fair board, sponsors, etc. all happy with the product. It would be nice if someone stepped up and gave anyone running a race track a wheel barrow full of money to throw at the race track, but when you are spending your own money, slow steady growth beats losing all of your capital within the first few years of business.
Respect is something that is earned, and it does not happen overnight.
We brought our dwarf car to race on Sunday and I can say I was pretty impressed with the crowd in the stands- not full, but not bad at all. I was also impressed how everyone there got together when the track looked suspect at the start of the night and chased it to the point that we got a really nice race track for our main. I am always happy as a support division car owner to put on a nice quick main with 2 quick yellows, and an exciting last lap (though my car got the short end of that stick!!). Also, do not forget, the car counts were low in all the divisions, not just the sprints- but we were all still treated with alot of respect and thanked for making it there and putting on a show.
I wish Steve and VRP nothing but success. I feel he is on a good path to grow VRP into something really special. I hope to race there, and see awesome sprint car racing there, far into the future.
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September 09, 2011 at
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The dwarfs were the best part of the nite that shure was a great series back in the day until naylor split it up im a past pro devision champion with cdcra
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September 09, 2011 at
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September 09, 2011 at
09:57:55 PM by Doug Bushey
Okay...this whole subject is so over-discussed on here that I'm embarrassed that I feel compelled to chime in....but I will...
Who's fault is it that the car counts were down last weekend at VRP? I think June hit it right on the head in another post on here. The drivers need to support the tracks that offer racing...or they won't have tracks to run on in SoCal...period. That goes for all the tracks...not just VRP.
Aside from the boys in Arizona, who had a 2-day show to race at home, I cannot figure out why the cars counts were so low for a 360 race that had no "local" competition from surrounding tracks. I realize that racing budgets are down, but there are still 40 to 50 active 360 teams around down here...and everyone but VRP was dark.
If you're blaming the low car count on the lack of a "premier" sanctioning body in place, since it is a USAC-CRA sanctioned race that you're using as a comparison, I don't see the logic. First of all, the teams that are running for USAC-CRA points in 2011 had already committed to doing so long before VRP announced their new promoter and schedule. The teams that have only a budget to run for USAC-CRA points are not going to be regulars at the other local races when they're already strapped trying to bring a car to the track for the full schedule they've committed to for their sponsors. That is just a fact that we all need to face. But in reality, we're only talking about six (6) drivers in particular...the ONLY six (6) that are running every USAC-CRA race this year. So if you add the six (6) cars to last week's count, you still only have around 19 cars...not a full field.
If you're blaming the purse...I don't get it. We've had fans donate money to the purses recently to try to motivate some more teams to make the tow. That didn't work. VRP has made it very public what the purse structure is for each race, each division, depending on car counts. It's not a secret what he's paying. If you compare what he is paying to what Ventura pays for a VRA show, you'd be surprised to learn that they're about the same for a car count under 20...and VRP is actually a larger purse for 20 or more cars! And he pays CASH. Not tax-deducted earnings...gross cash payments! (Of course it's still your responsibility to report earning to the IRS...that's not my point). No waiting for a check that could take weeks (or in some cases in the past....forever).
I've been forturnate to have had some heart-to-heart discussions with several of the owners and drivers this year. Some are concerned about track surface....and rightfully so. It hasn't been perfect every race. However, time, money and energy have been put forth to correct that issue and I think we've got a great crew in place now...and a last Sunday's track was awesome! Some are concerned about the constantly-changing rules, structures, and purses. Well...each time it's changed, it's because Steve has personally asked the drivers that have supported the track what would work best for them...and sometimes they wanted things different than originally scheduled. Some are just plain out of money...totally get that. Like I said above, some are just running for a USAC-CRA championship and cannot afford the possibility of tearing their stuff up or hurting their motors for non-points-paying races...totally understand that too.
But the bottom line is...without a constant group of cars that WANT to race....or that WANT another place to race at...it will be gone...regardless of what we fans WANT. The racers need to show Steve, Donnie, Jimmy, Chris, and every other promoter that their efforts are worth it. Otherwise, they're going to pack up their toys and go home...
Doug Bushey
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September 09, 2011 at
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its got to be about the cost of the usac-cra show . at most of the regular vv shows that include the 410 cars , its only 10-410 cars short of a perris race. with car counts being what they are around here right now its taking don flanders money ( thank god for him !!) to get a few of the 360 cars to show up , just to get a few more cars than the a-main allows. remember the old c-main ???.this isnt the old scra days when 50 plus cars were coming through the back gate at any given race .that alone brings in a back gate that is worth something. the car count last night at chico was excellent , it took a combined 2 series race to do it .i dont blame steve for not running that show . i know how bad he wants the usac-cra regulars , and if he can keep putting a track together like last sun he may get what he wants car by car .vv is an awesome track when it is hooked up . just the opposite when it rains dirt .if the track would just go dryslick and a cushion with minimal dust that would be ok. its going to take everyone that cares to keep all the current tracks around here alive . complaining about one thing or another and boycotting a track is not the answer . people normally dont give up on their kids after a few problems , they do what ever it takes to get it right , even when it takes a lifetime !!!!
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September 09, 2011 at
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Oh well i see it diffrent i just see it as you want a good show you gotta pay for it bring usac back bite the bullet build a fan base build a car count then do your own thing
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September 09, 2011 at
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Posted By: sprintfan86 on September 09 2011 at 10:20:45 PM
Oh well i see it diffrent i just see it as you want a good show you gotta pay for it bring usac back bite the bullet build a fan base build a car count then do your own thing
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how about this?why don't you put up the $15,000+USAC sanction fee
ROB
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September 09, 2011 at
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Shure thing checks in the mail steve agreed to the 3 races there just saying should have just tried to make those. Happen then go from there your all so sensitive. Geez arnt we aloud to just speak about what we think lol lighten up rob oh and vv needs a new announcer im kidding just forget it. As i said earlier just wish would have all worked out sorry pissed you all off but its good to get you all worked up shows how much we all lov e this sport
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September 09, 2011 at
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i believe its $13,000 plus the fee.there are all the track and insurance costs on top of that ( over 15 separate items to be paid each race ) . still a hard egg to crack . i have seen all the financial info for this track and it is not a deal that will work .if vv had 2000 people plus per sprint car race and the usac-cra deal could pull another 500 based on the NAME recognition , it would be close to working for steve , but is it in his best interests to run a race that will cost him thousands that will not be recuperated..that is just plain bad business ..we need this track and this promoter..in todays economy some businesses have failed just for not paying close attention to what they spend on a daily basis and what comes back in. it has to balance , just like a check book .this race track is no exception ..overdraft only goes so far.lol.
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September 09, 2011 at
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Just wondering a few years ago when fass and gardner. Promoted that race at vv. Why didnt that work out
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September 09, 2011 at
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Posted By: sprintfan86 on September 09 2011 at 11:16:47 PM
Shure thing checks in the mail steve agreed to the 3 races there just saying should have just tried to make those. Happen then go from there your all so sensitive. Geez arnt we aloud to just speak about what we think lol lighten up rob oh and vv needs a new announcer im kidding just forget it. As i said earlier just wish would have all worked out sorry pissed you all off but its good to get you all worked up shows how much we all lov e this sport
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You haven't pissed me off...not yet...takes a LOT more than a message board discussion to do that! You did get me fired up a bit though. I'm just passionate, as you are, about this sport and want to see the tracks we have stick around.
The thing that made me respond was that it really isn't as simple as just a branding deal. Let's say Steve did "bite the bullet" and paid a USAC-CRA purse. I honestly don't know exactly what the going rate is for non-home-tracks. Let's say the purse alone is around $10,000 to make it simple. Steve pays the $10,000, which is double what his 18-20 car purse costs him. Since it would be a points-paying deal, you'd get at least 4 more cars (Spencer, Mitchell, Faas, and Bragg)...and maybe a few more (Cardey, R. Gardner, and Alexander). Are 300-plus more fans going to show up to offset the extra $5,000? I doubt it. Maybe in time, but how many shows would Steve have to take a loss on before they came regularly?
Honestly, I'm on your side...I too am bored and wishing there was a sprint car race down here to attend. But we've got to get the teams to support themselves or we're gonna need a new hobby soon (and you won't have to listen to the announcer at VRP anymore...LOL)...
Doug Bushey
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September 10, 2011 at
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Doug, that's why I said it is up to US. US being the car owners, drivers, crew members, and fans. If we want more sprint car racing in Southern California AND we have a track promoter that is doing the best that he can to provide it, then it's up to the rest of us to support it. I try to make it to Victorville as much as my budget will allow. I also go to Ventura because Naylor supports sprint cars and it's within 2 - 2 1/2 hours of my house. I will go to Hanford, Tulare, Santa Maria, Las Vegas and Arizona when I can do it. Right now I'm going to a lot of races alone while my hubby stays home to do his homework so it's a bit tougher going too very far away if I don't have the money to get a hotel. Most of the time I can do a turnaround and I have. Why? To support the type of racing I love.
I just think it is sad that people put down Victorville and Steve for doing what he can this year. Steve has really stepped up and I feel bad that there are a lot of racers who don't want to support him.
Another thing Doug, is that I'm sure that Steve's sick and tired of being bitched at and put down when he logs into this message board. I'm not sure I would be able to keep trying to put on shows when I get nothing but put down and bitched at. That's why I think we should try to figure out solutions to the problem rather than bitching about them. I'm willing to help out all I can.
RIP Chet and Mark. You might be gone but never will
be forgotten.
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September 10, 2011 at
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We need a bigger gene pool in here...
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September 10, 2011 at
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what is needed are more proactive people just like ncjune is saying . its what we do that makes a difference . each week i try to find the people that like sprint cars but dont know where to go see them. i try to sell it to people i dont know.i email steve if i think i have any kind of idea that may help the track . i talk to the people that are involved now and in the past , when i can. i have a 410 team under my direction which i do almost all the work on myself , i help a 360 team with setup and track tuning , keeping this team moving forward and motivated to go to every race that they can afford to go to . i have driven countless miles hustling up good used tires to race on because we cant afford new ones every time .i am currently helping a 410 team that has been gone for awhile get their car together so we can have another car at the track. i am only telling this so some people can see how i am being proactive , i have absolutely nothing to prove to anyone . this in no way is a comparison to anyone else s efforts towards non wing sprint car racing .i just moved back to the oc area in june of this year and in the time since then , this is how i have helped .no one called me to help them , i went out and got involved . everything happens through process , so each day i try to move forward a little more ...each cay i try and pay attention to what is happening and try to make things better ..
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September 10, 2011 at
10:58:23 AM by cfrinc
Sprintfan86, Jack and I actually promoted two races at VV and were very pleased with the results(would do a few things differently). Our goal was to get rid of some needless rules and make racing fun again. The concept was simple," Open Competition" meaning open to anyone( competitors and manufacturers) could compete as long as they were within our parameters of rules. NO engine ci limit. RR qualifying tire would be your main event tire. No points, just prize money/Glory/trophygirl to the WINNER! No 2nd 3rd place bs. Our payout structure was better than most. But as usual some people referred to as 360/410 or a "wildcat" venture it was neither, we just wanted to promote sprintcar racing in general. Still receive requests about promoting more races. You never know. Regards,Cary Faas
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September 10, 2011 at
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Cary you and Jack did a fantastic job on those races. I loved racing them, and would like to see more of the same. Folks Steve walked in out of the blue and took over and has listened to all the b.s and has made many changes and is willing to continue making things better for 410 racing. I commend him for hanging in there, it would have been easy to say heck with it all and forget sprint cars, instead he has stepped up to the plate and is taking care of business. Keep up the good work Steve. p.s Doug Bushey is doing a great job there also. And its nice to see Scot there when Doug cant be there.
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