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May 08, 2011 at 03:24:13 PM
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VRA SPRINT CAR RACE RESULTS:
Ventura Raceway - Ventura, California
May 7, 2011

ENTRIES: ( Car / Driver Name / Points)
3M Jake McVey 5; 7 Greg Taylor 215; 14K Jake Swanson 20; 16 Tom Harper 150; 17 Jimmy Crawford 180; 18T Clark Templeman III 135; 22 Brian Camarillo 235; 24 Guy Woodward 115; 43B Mike Broome 10; 51 Brent Camarillo 195; 55s Kyle Smith 100; 56 Steve Conrad 210; 57 Steve Hix 95; 62 Adam Frith-Smith 95; 65 Austin DeBlauw 115; 67K Taylor Price 5; 69 Marcus Niemela 165; 71K Don Gansen 255; 72 Ronnie Gardner 155;
73 Josh Ford 185; 76 Derek Buckley 125; 83 John Nock 180; 91R Brody Roa 160; 98 Jeremy Ellertson 110.

HEAT RACE 1: (10 laps)
1. Greg Taylor, 2. Marcus Niemela, 3. Ronnie Gardner, 4. Steve Conrad, 5. Clark Templeman III, 6. Kyle Smith, 7. Austin DeBlauw, 8. Taylor Price.

HEAT RACE 2: (10 laps)
1. John Nock, 2. Don Gansen, 3. Tom Harper, 4. Jimmy Crawford, 5. Jake Swanson, 6. Derek Buckley, 7. Mike Broome, 8. Adam Frith-Smith.

HEAT RACE 3: (10 laps)
1. Josh Ford, 2. Brian Camarillo, 3. Brent Camarillo, 4. Brody Roa, 5. Guy Woodward, 6. Steve Hix, 7. Jeremy Ellertson, 8. Jake McVey.

SEMI-MAIN: (12 laps)
1. Clark Templeman III, 2. Guy Woodward, 3. Derek Buckley, 4. Adam Frith-Smith, 5. Kyle Smith, 6. Steve Hix, 7. Austin Deblauw, 8. Jeremy Ellertson, 9. Jake Swanson, 10. Mike Broome, 11. Taylor Price, 12. Jake McVey.

FEATURE: (30 laps - With Starting Positions)
1. Don Gansen (2nd), 2. Brian Camarillo (1st), 3. Steve Conrad (10th), 4. Greg Taylor (5th), 5. Brent Camarillo (9th), 6. Jimmy Crawford (11th), 7. Josh Ford (4th), 8. John Nock (6th), 9. Brody Roa (12th), 10. Marcus Niemela (3rd), 11. Ronnie Gardner (8th), 12. Tom Harper (7th), 13. Clark Templeman III (13th), 14. Derek Buckley (15th), 15. Austin DeBlauw (19th), 16. Jeremy Ellertson (20th), 17. Guy Woodward (14th), 18. Adam Frith-Smith (16th), 19. Kyle Smith (17th), 20. Steve Hix (18th).
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FEATURE LAP LEADERS: Laps 1-30 Don Gansen.

HARD CHARGER: Steve Conrad (10th to 3rd)

VRA SPRINT CAR POINT STANDINGS:
1. Steve Conrad 1435; 2. Greg Taylor 1425; 3. Don Gansen 1280; 4. Josh Ford 1255; 5. Brent Camarillo 1105; 6. Derek Buckley 1100; 7. Brian Camarillo 1060; 8. Brandon Thomson 995; 9. Cory Kruseman 910; 10. John Nock 835; 11. Kyle Smith 805; --. Marcus Niemela 805; 13. Clark Templeman III 800; 14. Brody Roa 795; 15. Dakota Kershaw 730; 16. Austin DeBlauw 680; 17. Jimmy Crawford 660; 18. Justin Kierce 635; 19. Guy Woodward 615; 20. Tom Harper 540.

NEXT VRA SPRINT CAR RACE:
May 14th - Ventura Raceway - Ventura, California




Fly n Hawaiian
May 08, 2011 at 11:26:48 PM
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What happened to Rutherford? He just disapeared from the point rankings? Did I miss a post about this? Just wondering?....



harryfan
May 09, 2011 at 12:28:03 AM
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Posted By: Fly n Hawaiian on May 08 2011 at 11:26:48 PM

What happened to Rutherford? He just disapeared from the point rankings? Did I miss a post about this? Just wondering?....



I had the same question.


Spam34
May 09, 2011 at 12:40:11 AM
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I heard he was fined, suspended, and lost all points because he had a bad tire. The tire was found after his heat race 2 weeks ago, they cut out a piece and sent it to the lab. I guess they came back and he was cheating after all. Funny how the guy who wins 4 out of the 5 first races is the only one caught... and the night he was caught he was still able to start on the front row.



RichCee
May 09, 2011 at 09:55:00 AM
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Posted By: Spam34 on May 09 2011 at 12:40:11 AM

I heard he was fined, suspended, and lost all points because he had a bad tire. The tire was found after his heat race 2 weeks ago, they cut out a piece and sent it to the lab. I guess they came back and he was cheating after all. Funny how the guy who wins 4 out of the 5 first races is the only one caught... and the night he was caught he was still able to start on the front row.



They handled it exactly as the rulebook stated. $500 fine, loss of points and 1 race suspension. As to why he was able to continue racing the night the tire was seized, it's all about due process. He wasn't guilty of anything at that point, only strong suspicion. Once the results got back from the lab (which was Friday I believe), they sanctioned him.

What if they had removed him from the race that night and the tire had passed all the lab tests?

One ugly thing about Ventura is that they hold weekly races with the same people every week.. Weekly races turn into high school. Except it's like a high school where everyone is forced into a cliques and this group hates that group and vice versa. It is a very refreshing change to be a part of a traveling series where none of this baloney goes on. Every time I come back to Ventura I'm reminded of the high schoolness.



Buzzard-
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Infield Mafia gonna git you suckers...






trracefan
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You might want to be sure of what you are saying. You are talking about a persons reputation and part of his livelyhood here I know for a fact that he did NOT cheat and has never been a cheater and will NEVER be CHEATER! First of all that tire in question was NOT taken from him. It was offered to the officals , after all it was a new way of testing and they had no baseline to go by.It was offered as a courtsey to hepl establish a baseline. WOULD ANY ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND DO SOMETHING TO A TIRE AND THEN OFFER IT UP TO AN OFFICAL. I THINK NOT!



JayP
May 09, 2011 at 11:41:49 AM
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RichCee, the principal is going to give you detention!!!



Spam34
May 09, 2011 at 04:48:39 PM
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You might want to be sure of what you are saying. You are talking about a persons reputation and part of his livelyhood here I know for a fact that he did NOT cheat and has never been a cheater and will NEVER be CHEATER! First of all that tire in question was NOT taken from him. It was offered to the officals , after all it was a new way of testing and they had no baseline to go by.It was offered as a courtsey to hepl establish a baseline. WOULD ANY ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND DO SOMETHING TO A TIRE AND THEN OFFER IT UP TO AN OFFICAL. I THINK NOT!



So, they test 24 tires and 23 of them pass? Obviously he's doing something to make the device go off. They could have been using the 23 other cars as the base line and then one goes off clearly you know somethings a little fishy. It wouldn't be a big deal if it was an 18th place car but the guy had won 4 out of the first five races.




trracefan
May 09, 2011 at 06:03:27 PM
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On the tire in question he finished 3 or 4 in his heat race. Why didn't he win if that tire was so good? Come on now.



Buzzard-
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May 09, 2011 at 06:23:50 PM
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Just another faceless prick stirring the pot with less than half of the facts.



Spam34
May 09, 2011 at 07:09:57 PM
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Posted By: trracefan on May 09 2011 at 06:03:27 PM

On the tire in question he finished 3 or 4 in his heat race. Why didn't he win if that tire was so good? Come on now.



He finished fourth but he also started last row inside. You can't expect a guy to win every time just because of the tire. Its pretty hard to pass Buckley and Kershaw after starting last in only a 10 lap race.




turn4rob
May 09, 2011 at 08:39:26 PM
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Rich would that be the Jr.Varsity?

 

ROB



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Posted By: RichCee on May 09 2011 at 09:55:00 AM

They handled it exactly as the rulebook stated. $500 fine, loss of points and 1 race suspension. As to why he was able to continue racing the night the tire was seized, it's all about due process. He wasn't guilty of anything at that point, only strong suspicion. Once the results got back from the lab (which was Friday I believe), they sanctioned him.

What if they had removed him from the race that night and the tire had passed all the lab tests?

One ugly thing about Ventura is that they hold weekly races with the same people every week.. Weekly races turn into high school. Except it's like a high school where everyone is forced into a cliques and this group hates that group and vice versa. It is a very refreshing change to be a part of a traveling series where none of this baloney goes on. Every time I come back to Ventura I'm reminded of the high schoolness.



"One ugly thing about Ventura is that they hold weekly races with the same people every week.. Weekly races turn into high school. Except it's like a high school where everyone is forced into a cliques and this group hates that group and vice versa. It is a very refreshing change to be a part of a traveling series where none of this baloney goes on. Every time I come back to Ventura I'm reminded of the high schoolness."

keen observation, RichCee, very true

what i remember most about high school is that there was great music

Ventura will be remembered for great racing



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This is the post on Ventura's front page....interesting coincidence I think...

VRA has a rule in place that prohibits “TIRE” altering or treatment of any kind that alters the original manufacture’s tire compound. The rule also prohibits the removal of any manufacture’s identification markings.

Our technical staff has obtained a device that will read (sniff) air released from a tire. A random sampling of air from tires is being conducted to establish a benchmark reading by the sniffer. During our information only sampling, there was a tire that did exhibit a reading different than the other tires .We determined this tire should be sent to an independent test lab for analysis.
The results of the tests are currently under review by an independent third party expert that will provide us the necessary information to determine what the differences are. Once we have all of the accurate information we will determine what actions will be taken. It is our goal to gather all the facts in this situation so we can be absolutely certain we are establishing enforceable standards and benchmarks.

We would ask that all those concerned to be patient during this process as it is very complicated and the accuracy is paramount to any decisions we make.


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harryfan
May 10, 2011 at 03:07:21 PM
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What if the air is nitrogen? Would that be considered illegal?

JayP
May 10, 2011 at 03:19:21 PM
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Sniff some of this. PFFFFFTtt



RichCee
May 10, 2011 at 04:16:09 PM
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My understanding is that the sniffer Ventura uses is measuring VOC's (Volitile Organic Chemicals). All of the tire softeners/conditioners that I'm aware of are petroleum based solvents. Petroleum solvents emit lots o smelly VOCs. Note that not all conditioners change the hardness of the tire (i.e. a durometer of a treated tire may show the same hardness as an untreated tired) which makes detection more difficult and introducing a VOC sniffer adds another tool in detection. As nitrogen (not NOX) is relatively inert, I would imagine that it is a pretty low VOC emitter.

BTW - Normally when a race results show a single leader start to finish, I think yawner. I think the fans got their money's worth on last weekend's race.





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