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February 22, 2011 at
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I'm calling amoung experts here to find out what is the big difference between a non- wing sprint chassis and a wing sprint chassis ?
Can a wing chassis be used for a non wing race ? If so what changes do one need to make to be competitive ?
Thanks for your answers
Jake(a fan always)
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February 22, 2011 at
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February 22, 2011 at
06:25:55 PM by BIGFISH
I've seen guy's do very well using the same chassis for both, and the first person who comes to mind is Jesse Hockett.
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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February 23, 2011 at
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Check with Jac Haudenschild, Stevie Smith and Tyler Walker. Jac won the famous "Mopar Million" race in a wing car and Smith finished second. Walker also ran very well in a wing car. After the race, I talked to Smith and he said the main thing they changed on the car was the front axle.
Good Luck
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February 23, 2011 at
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Generally, on the axles, non-wing people use a 52" or a 53" front axle, winged cars are generally 50." I have never run non-wing myself, but I know somebody who did run with the sprint bandits when they came to the area. He ran pretty well with the same car that he ran in the weekly winged sprint car class with very little change.
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February 23, 2011 at
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Here are a few PA guys who ran the Eastern USAC swing. All are winged cars switched over.
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February 23, 2011 at
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February 23, 2011 at
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The front axel and the torsion bars / shock packages are the main things that are changed. The set-up is the key. It helps if the driver is good also!
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February 23, 2011 at
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Does chassis lenght have an effect ? 86.5' to 88'
Do wheel ofsets come to play ?
I understand that you might run a little softer on the bars.
So far you guys are helpfull, but i beleive there is more out there to learn.
jake(a fan always)
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February 23, 2011 at
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Posted By: le_jake on February 23 2011 at 03:54:54 PM
Does chassis lenght have an effect ? 86.5' to 88'
Do wheel ofsets come to play ?
I understand that you might run a little softer on the bars.
So far you guys are helpfull, but i beleive there is more out there to learn.
jake(a fan always)
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Spend $30 and by Jimmy Sills' book from Steve Smith Autosports. Read it 3 or 4 times - you'll learn a bunch...
http://www.ssapubl.com/
Chuck.....
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February 23, 2011 at
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From what I've learned so far you need a 52"-53" front end which was mentioned earlier. You need a long spline rear axle to be able to get the RR out further. You can also go to a 3" offset RR wheel to aid in this. Different bars and you might wanna run more rebound in the LR shock. The longer the chassis the longer the wheelbase. Since you don't have a wing to hold the car down you could run an 87" or 88" car to make the car more stable while cornering. You can lower the ride heights since the car isn't being held down by the wings, mostly the rear to help hold the front end down. They have build options to add motor tilt to also help in this. Most guys don't run a raised rail car because it's not necessary although it really doesn't hurt either way. A few guys I've talked to don't like running a 2" raised rail car especially with the wing because it allows you to get the LR down so far that it effects the RF. Probably run a bigger gear. Some people run a front sway bar to help with body roll. There's also the front coil over option. Don't know a whole lot about either. I think a coil front makes the car react quicker but can exaggerate driving characteristics which can make them less forgiving. I hope this helps. If I am wrong on any of these points don't hang me. I'm still new to all this. I do agree that the Steve Smith Autosport book is well worth the money. Here is a link to Triple X's website with a setup baseline for both wing and non-wing cars. http://www.xxxraceco.com/chassis%20setup.htm
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February 24, 2011 at
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To fasster23;
Thank you very much for your message, this is exactly the type of response i was looking for, it is very helpfull. As for the Steve Smith book, it is the first thing i bought before buying a sprint car, it is helpfull to some point, the only setback is the age of the info in the book, it is nearly 20 years old but it does give a lot of basic information.
Thank you again for your response, it has been greatfull and very much appreciated. It is good to know that this forum contains readers who can help other racers and not just some questionable comment like i have read in other posts.
After all, hoseheads.com is the most reliable sprint car web site in the world, people from all over the planet read this forum and visit this site cause it is simply the best.
A thankfull canadian sprinter
jake(a fan always)
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February 24, 2011 at
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Sure thing man. I'm pretty new to all this myself. I've read the Steve Smith book multiple times and still resort back to it if I can't find the answer to a question. He also offers other forms of helpful info as well. There's a chassis geometry and setup DVD that I was looking at purchasing. I'm pretty much on my own in my deal so I have to learn everything that I can. Endless research and questions. My biggest hurdle is learning tires. I making the transition from asphalt to dirt so I don't have much experience in that department. On the asphalt you were mandated what and how many tires you could run most of the time. I wish there were seminars for tire prep and reading the track to select the correct compound. Good luck and keep the shiny side up.
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February 25, 2011 at
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Coming form a "Non-Wing" guy......FASSTER23 is correct on everything he said...
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