Forum: HoseHeads Sprint Car General Forum (go)
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AWESOME, welcome to the club. Actually you folks were probably there before me. But you get the idea!

Never hit stationary objects!

Cheating has been part of racing since the first rule was written.

It takes strict honest tech to stop cheating and sometimes thats just not available.

99, if you were to dry sump your engines here's what it would cost, keep in mind these prices are new.

4-stg Barnes or Dailey pump - $1,295.00

Oil tank - $300

Lines (steel braided) - approximately $500.00 Haven't plumbed an engine with steel braided hose in about 7-8 years.

Oil pan (Moroso like we use) - $775.00

We don't port cast iron heads because most heads are cnc ported these days, but if you were to send a set of bare castings to Ron's Porting in Missouri I think he gets $1,200 just for the cnc porting only.

Like I said these are new prices but like 88 said you can look around and get used deals. If you buy used I would recommend you send it back to the manufacturer and have them go through it because like most of these deals on the internet you never know what your going to get!!

Very true Nick, carrying spares is really hard with a pickup and an open trailer. I guess my concern about dry sumps is that the more you open up a class the harder it is to keep up on top of it. For those that are in a position to have a large hauler and thousands of spares I think that is great. I am just worried that if the costs go up to much then there are alot of us that may be done with it. I too have fallen into a larger truck for 2011, but that was out of necessity. My 2007 F-150 has been struggling to get all of the spares + the car + the people + the quad to the track and it has had some serious breakages as a result. So I understand the need. But if the car get much more expensive as a result of rules changes I won't be able to get it to the track.

I hope that no one thinks that I am bashing the big rig teams. It is fun to race them and most do not flaunt it. In a majority of cases it really is necessity based. That is why I had been hauling to Burlington as a tag along in the back of the Moore hauler, to cut costs.

Good luck in 2011 and we look forward to racing with you folks!.........................Jim Clark

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I would not really care much about this topic if it were not for the number of folks that have told me that The MW305 was the club that all of our rules at Burlington were originally based upon.

If they begin making radical changes then I must be concerned that they may be headed our way.

I was happy to see the posts by the MW305 board members stating that they are not going to change thier rules, but you never know what might happen for 2012!

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Heck,I might have a big trailer and rig if I could afford it,not bashing anybody here either.You work your tail off on race day with an open trailer,loading all the stuff up to race,then leave the track beat after race night and having to unload everything when you get home before you can hit the bed.The open trailer has one advantage though,you don't have to unload the car at the car wash,and it's air dried by the time you get home!

Actually my understanding is that if you allow porting the work is going to be done per the injection that you would run. So actually there would be a huge difference between the ported and the unported heads.

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Hawker:

I have heard also that is a good rule to 'choke' em off and easily 'teched.'

I would wonder if wesmar would know of a diameter that would be 'under-efficient' (is that a word??? I don't think so, but..... what the hell) to choke down a normal intake runner and valve efficiency on a 2.02 / 1.6 cast head?

I am guessing something like 1 7/16 inch?

You would think it needs to be significally smaller than the exhaust valve size to discourage exhaust porting (remember, I wrote 'guessing' I am not remotely suggesting.)

I do agree with brettco .... the ACSC rule for injectors seems to encourage porting to make more power so the injector size or the injector sleeve would have to be somewhat smaller in relationship to the valve sizes to make porting of ABSOLUTE no value to make more horsepower.

R.A.

S.H.S.

1 difference though, you aren't suppost to be porting your ASCS heads. I would have to agree though, I ran a 2 11/16 Engler with Englers' restricted stacks on my 360, it had the best throttle response of any motor I have ran. Top end I really didn't see much difference, but that first 50 feet was much improved!!

Thats why a restricted intake rule doesnt work,ask some nascar guys how much they spend to develop restrictor plate engines.

I would rather see a mandated header rule,make everybody run the cheapest 1 5/8" x 3" header schoenfeld makes with no modifications

The guys with illegal port jobs can run burlington, no one seems to know how to check for undercover porting there . Hell I dont think they would notice a dry sump. I have pretty much had it with trying to chase down the cars with illegal motors. The funny part is those guys need the edge because they are not that good of racer. Oh and an occasional ill slide job. We dont run for points or every week, But if you want to get the points you will need a 360 budget .

Really argring about illegal engines seems to me (after looking over these boards), to be mute point. Until the clubs get thier acts together we are all just pissing in the wind. As for Burlington however, I know for a fact that there are a couple of cars that are running consistantly at the front that have completely legal engines. It is not blantantly obvious who is or is not cheating. There are a couple I'll grant you who fall into the questionable area, but for the most part I think that it is pretty competitive at 34 raceway.

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Now that is some food for thought. Take away a guys ability to evacuate the engine and it does him no good to pump in a huge volumn of mixture.

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I helped start the 305 class in burlington. We really have never had a good tech team. There is people spending over 15,000 on there motor. If you go by the rules and run the legal parts it does not cost that much, unless you did things that are not listed. It is time to tech. The class is great for the track. People like to watch sprinters. those are the ones that give the feedback. I have fun no matter where we finish. Lets tech . Pumping a motor doesnt do it.

And to that extent I totally agree. A strong tech team with the determination to uphold the rules to the umteenth degree is exactly what a class like ours needs. And $15,000 plus on a restricted motor is really high, and to that I agree as well. Spec or restricted classes are supposed to be just that. And it does not work without strong tech. Unfortunately for us we have not finished far up enough to have been exposed to that part of Sprint racing yet. But I know from many other forms of motorsports that I have competed in, the problems seem to be universal across the racing spectrum. So lets talk to the facility about getting someone in there to do the job. Clubs, tracks, and officials do not have to be our enemies, they simply need to understand that they must adhere to thier own pre-set rules so that classes can continue to grow and increase thier revenue. When they do, it is win-win for everyone! But it is up to us to push the point rather than to complain about it on a web forum.

By the by, a lot of the time a $15,000 engine is $5,000 in parts and $10,000 for a builders expertise!

Someone must be making money in racing, it sure aint ME!!!!!

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