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Well , we lost more drivers off the WoO CIRCUIT , lost Todd Shaffer in Pa , and other drivers and car owners who could no longer afford the business either following the WoO trail or even racing locally .

So my question is to the WRG are you going to do something to contain the costs ? Give car owners a reason to get into the business ? You guys at WRG want to be the rule setting establishment who runs winged sprint car racing . So now is your time to step up to the plate and do something before you lose more drivers , more teams and FANS .

The sprint car racing use to be fun , where everyone could afford it , but it no longer is ? . It now is a BUSINESS unless you run weekend small class , low budget tracks. There use to be creativity in building race cars , a unique design , or innovation BUT NOT ANY MORE ,but then all of auto racing is following this pattern it seems like .

April Fools to you to, lol...

Take It Easy, and I mean it more than most times...

Glad fans are reading this , hopefully allot of fans agree with this . I don't want to see the demise of the 410 's , but we are headed that way ?

And we losing GOOD OWNERS ALL THE TIME AS WELL , really no incentive to get into sprint car racing any more . It's hard to have Fun racing , it's all about making money or being able to break even each week you race .

We have lost car owners almost every year for over 20 years so this is nothing new and will always be this way.

Have to figure it up but I think the full time travelers with the WoO is more now than it has ever been, even in the 80's.

I really don't think anyhing is going to change now....

David Smith Jr.
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doesn't that 360 series the ASCS keep growing?

fanoffans has always been a complainer. I'm also pretty sure he's "fairly" new to the sport. Here are some things to ponder. The WoO are as strong as ever. The racing is better now than any time period since they were formed. PA racing is also as good as ever, with more competitive cars racing now than ever. Yes there have been some "big name" car owners that have left the sport , but there are quite a few new owners fielding cars now too. I know it costs a lot, too much, I don't know. If it does , then why so many competitive cars now , over year past? The real problem is the financial stability of the race tracks . There seems to be a drop in attendance at the "regular" weekly shows all around the US . The "big" shows are successful nearly everywhere though . The answer to that is the key to longevity.

While I don't, and never will, favor their "front row Joe winners" it appears none of the racers have had a check bounce so as long as they get paid I don't think they will do any complaining.

I think about any area can "look back" and see a series which started in their area as an "entry class" and now see it as totally out of hand. It happened out here in the 360's and look at it now.

I don't know where they come up with their money but, say what you will, they have the best traveling series in the country...especially when it comes to drivers.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

leon

TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!

On another website someone posted a recap of a WoO race from Devils Bowl in 1995. There were nearly 40 cars there. It was very interesting to go back and look at some of the drivers and car owners that were there. Just a few of those owners are still around. Mr. Smith is right, it has always been and will always be that way. The really sad thing is looking at sprint car racing in the Dallas area now. We have very few sprint car teams, and most of them are 305. I'd bet the Bowl will probably have 6 to 8 305 teams this year. I'm wondering how long before they drop them completely.

Sir , I am not a complainer as you state and have been around auto racing and the business for a long time ,all my life . I am 59 and love the sport and want what is best for it like you .I know also racing as a whole is good , but not financially strong in regards to costs to teams .

You are missing my points but I concede racing at the WoO is better but not where it should be . And there formats are not what they should be as they can be improved . Yes , the car counts are up but only temporarily as the costs continue to force teams to drop off the circuit .

My hope is that fans who read this , will continue to speak out to all sanctioning groups and make there feelings known to improve there product to benefit the people who are spending there money to watch auto racing .

The problem with weekly sprintcar racing at the Devils Bowl is Lanny Edwards

As far as the WRG, i'm with Leon on this deal, checks clear, points fund paid, some tv coverage, and most of the best drivers

Hope you had a good thanksgiving Dave - since I partially know you I am going to pick yours out to argue first lol. j/k man lol - kind of.

I'm not sure that is a fair analogy. Think about it - it has lost car owners for the last 20 years......yeah I agree - and it's getting extremely obvious too aint it...

And if it will always be this way - there won't be a sport left. As is hashed over time and time again - the blue collar racer has been cut out. Those getting into the sport have hefty hefty backing or family dough/mommy and daddy's money - and even some of them are not around long.

Yeah the WoO might have more full time travelers than it used to - BUT!!!!!! it is almost out of necessity - considering their local competition has fallen off a cliff. They really are getting narrowed down to the few hotspots that remain - and then scheduling shows within a few hours of those spots so that some of those guys can still make it. For instance - look at the Dodge City show they had a year or 2 ago - 34 cars - and exactly half were 360's.

Thats the trend that concerns many - and should concern more. When you think about the owners that have gotten out - it's not so much been on a national scale - but more on the regional and local scale...

It's not to point something out against 410's......eventually the ascs 360's will likely run into this same problem - already are in some places - although Emmett Hahn is innovated and creative enough that I think he could/would address it before it gets to that point.

The fact that 410 racing has been so narrowed down to such small areas is not good. It seems the traditional thought that the WoO are the frontrunners/trendsetters in 410 racing. I think that needs to change. For instance if all of Ohio and PA stated transitioning over to say something like Schatz and co. were touting at Knoxville - they would end up with no choice. But it's hard to see the WoO being receptive - because it is working out for them. There is a sizeable chunk of "glory days" folks that will gladly spend twice as much to see a 22 car WoO show - than pay $20 to see 50+ much more evenly matched ASCS National show. Where the WoO likes the current set up is it makes it to where their guys are in the money EVERY SHOW - with the series still getting their dough too. My point is they are operating largely on name recognition. And I do think that will only go so far as 410 racing continues to dwindle. The "best show on dirt" title is largely just that - is becoming ever more hollow.

I hope the issue is addressed in 410 racing - i really do - I hope it gets addressed at each track and in each series that it is a problem....the sport seems to be in something of a lull - i hope somehow no matter the c.i. that it comes back stronger than ever......

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You make a lot of good points there, OKC. The point about the Outlaws having more travelers because of few options to race a 410 regularly is spot on. That is why the stupid agument that is standard on here about guys going on the road is so ridiculous. Unless you are racing weeky in PA or Ohio, there are few options to race a 410 weekly.

As far as the part about PA and Ohio transitioning over to the experimental Schatz engine, that would never, ever happen in PA unless the Outlaws move to such an engine first. I certainly don't think it is a good thing, but much of PA racing falls in line with whatever the Outlaws do. The Grove, for one, does not want to do anything that would risk the sanction on the cash cow that is the National Open.

That is an easy question...

When they (WRG) stop making $$$!

Most drivers and owners aren't in this game to make money....

It appears that most of the guys in Ohio are against the new motor, also. There was a post on pitgate about it and just about every driver that responded were in the negative.

Personally, I'm all for them getting rid of the C.I. limit and putting them all on harder/narrower tires but, I think that all the powers-that-be are too short-sighted to do it.

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